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I moved to western South Dakota. Looking for suggestions on locating cold nosed, track driving bloodlines to run coon and bobcat on dry ground out here. Any breed. Wanting to do some research before i lay out cash for a pup.

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I sent you my number in a PM. I know of two guys that have lines of dogs that do pretty well on a consistent basis for coon hunting out west in the dry conditions. Coons are really thin here, and it is usually pretty dry.... I'm sure where you are it is not much different. As, or more important, than having a cold nose, is having a really smart hunting dog... not just one that runs around and may trip across a hot track... but one that hunts with it's brains. Good luck, text me if I can be of any help.

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Maybe a cold nosed dog that can move a tough track is not so popular these days? There must be some people that hunt in thin coon/bad conditions that still breed that way.

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Be interesting to see what some of the old time successful mountain lion and jaguar hunters would think about what is considered a “cold nosed” hound today.

Men like the Lee brothers, Wiley Carroll, Del Cameron and others who made a living at hunting big game in some of the worst of conditions. Some times cold trailing mountain lion from one day into the next.

My guess is the majority of us got no clue as to what a truly cold nosed dog is nor the patience it requires of both man and hound to achieve a successful end.

Most of us nor our hounds are geared for that anymore.

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True, and when i talk about cold nosed i definetly am not looking for that. February is a tough month and i have had too many tracks that did not finish satisfactorily.

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Be interesting to see what some of the old time successful mountain lion and jaguar hunters would think about what is considered a “cold nosed” hound today.

Men like the Lee brothers, Wiley Carroll, Del Cameron and others who made a living at hunting big game in some of the worst of conditions. Some times cold trailing mountain lion from one day into the next.

My guess is the majority of us got no clue as to what a truly cold nosed dog is nor the patience it requires of both man and hound to achieve a successful end.

Most of us nor our hounds are geared for that anymore.

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I’m will to bet these dogs wouldn’t be competitive in the coon dog trials and that is why many of the competition dogs tend to be hotter nosed...

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I have a friend who cat hunts and he says his dog can take a 2 day old mountain lion track and tree it. I am not wanting a dog that will take a 2 day old raccoon track and tree it. More like a dog with enough nose to take a track in dry, dusty conditions were there is little scent and be able to run it to catch and tree it. Perhaps “cold nosed” is not the right term?

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I don't think the cold nose lion dogs would run two day old coon tracks.... For one there is just not near the same amount of scent. Also, I know some of the cat hounds here will run older tracks by sight in the snow until they warm up... they are not necessarily colder nosed... just smarter.

I know I'm trying to focus on older Yadkin River blood as I regularly hear they were great track dogs.

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I understand logans wild clover blood makes track dogs. I dont know much about plott or b and t lines having a track driving rep. I know they are out there.

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I have a friend who cat hunts and he says his dog can take a 2 day old mountain lion track and tree it. I am not wanting a dog that will take a 2 day old raccoon track and tree it. More like a dog with enough nose to take a track in dry, dusty conditions were there is little scent and be able to run it to catch and tree it. Perhaps “cold nosed” is not the right term?

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Thank you, Donnie

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I have a friend who cat hunts and he says his dog can take a 2 day old mountain lion track and tree it. I am not wanting a dog that will take a 2 day old raccoon track and tree it. More like a dog with enough nose to take a track in dry, dusty conditions were there is little scent and be able to run it to catch and tree it. Perhaps “cold nosed” is not the right term?

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I am 100% on the intelligence and determination. I do not like when a dog quits a track, and definitely a good nose is made better with a brain behind it.

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I've never known an owner of this type of dog that didn't have the problem of finding a dog of equal or superior ability to breed them too. Usually breeding them to a NICE dog of lesser ability, just produces more Nice dogs and not Outstanding Track Dogs. Just my opinion. Ken Risley

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I've never known an owner of this type of dog that didn't have the problem of finding a dog of equal or superior ability to breed them too. Usually breeding them to a NICE dog of lesser ability, just produces more Nice dogs and not Outstanding Track Dogs. Just my opinion. Ken Risley

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I don't think the cold nose lion dogs would run two day old coon tracks.... For one there is just not near the same amount of scent. Also, I know some of the cat hounds here will run older tracks by sight in the snow until they warm up... they are not necessarily colder nosed... just smarter.

I know I'm trying to focus on older Yadkin River blood as I regularly hear they were great track dogs.

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how could anyone say they can't smell it they moved it by sight j

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I've never known an owner of this type of dog that didn't have the problem of finding a dog of equal or superior ability to breed them too. Usually breeding them to a NICE dog of lesser ability, just produces more Nice dogs and not Outstanding Track Dogs. Just my opinion. Ken Risley

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The comments and insight are great. Originally was looking for suggestions on who might be raising dogs that i could look into or hunt with to determine what dog i might like to hunt in the coming year.
I have tried a couple different lines of breeding and so far find the blue dogs hunted locally are better.
Maybe if I get more specific? Not colorblind but do like a good english coonhound.

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If I was not invested in the Walkers I've been hunting, I would be hunting Mathis lion hounds. Good luck with it.

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In the last 20 years I've noticed there are a lot more fast track dogs in every breed, problem is most of them seem to beat the coon to the tree to often!

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In the last 20 years I've noticed there are a lot more fast track dogs in every breed, problem is most of them seem to beat the coon to the tree to often!

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I think Mr. Hennessy may be being just a bit factious. I’m not sure there is such a thing as a fast cold trailing dog. The best cold trailing coon dog I’ve ever seen was not a fast dog but he didn’t stand on his head and blow holes in the ground. He ran the track according to what he had to work with. When he had to walk it he did. When it was up in running he ran. There were times when he opened on tracks he couldn’t finish but it wasn’t often and you could call him off tracks like that.

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