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What I think is absolutely hilarious is the fact that you guys (majority on here) tried to tell me and a few others a dog can't work a track at 13 or 14 mph let alone hunt at that speed. Now here's a guy saying the average dog can run 28 mph. Which maybe true but the dog obviously can't work a track at that speed. Must be fast game involved or strictly sight chasing but can't make the coon climb or whatever it's chasing won't climb.

Just give the electric therapy to old Phido on them races. 1 of 2 things is going to happen. Either 1 he'll get broke from them bean and corn fields. Or 2 you'll break him from coons.

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Re: Excuse my ignorance but...

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Originally posted by 2ol2hunt
Every early fall on here I read about the bean fields and corn fields in Indiana and Ohio and what a problem folks have getting their dogs out of them. Someone please explain this to me. We have bean, corn and cotton fields in Alabama and I can't see the problem with coonhunting around them or in them. Explain the problem to me.


My .02 on the subject some may agree and some may disagree. I think a lot of dogs get stuck because they switch tracks. They will get struck and start running then they come across another track and switch to it. Whether thatís in a 40acre or 400 acres of beans or corn. I also agree with the people that say itís because a coon can move easier through knee high beans or a mature corn field. I myself like a dog that has the brains to run the edges instead of diving into the middle of a 200 acre bean or cornfield.

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I've been coonhunting since 1973 and those 2 or 3 hr. races ALWAYS ended up being deer races in those fields. Sometimes they would fall off and tree a coon around the edge but the long race was usually a deer.


We have as many deer as we do coon, I have never seen a deer run up and down corn rows, or all around a bean field. Deer move out and fast. Only time they don't go a mile away is a doe with a fawn. Then she will circle around a woods. I can tell you in every woods I hunt where the deer will go if being chased buy a dog. It will very some based on what crops are planted where.

You every want to see what kind of dirty tricks a coon can play sit on a log at the edge a corn field on a moon lit nite and watch.

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What I think is absolutely hilarious is the fact that you guys (majority on here) tried to tell me and a few others a dog can't work a track at 13 or 14 mph let alone hunt at that speed. Now here's a guy saying the average dog can run 28 mph. Which maybe true but the dog obviously can't work a track at that speed. Must be fast game involved or strictly sight chasing but can't make the coon climb or whatever it's chasing won't climb.

Just give the electric therapy to old Phido on them races. 1 of 2 things is going to happen. Either 1 he'll get broke from them bean and corn fields. Or 2 you'll break him from coons.



The ones that can average hunting at 10+ mph are the exception not the rule. Thereís not one alive thatís going to average 28 mph in a corn or bean field. I would say the majority wouldnít average over 5mph hunting.

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Do y'all REALLY believe that coons play dirty tricks on dogs?

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Do y'all REALLY believe that coons play dirty tricks on dogs?




I've seen enough to know that dogs are dogs and coons are smarter than most think. I've seen some things that would make you scratch your head on exactly how smart a coon can be. You ever seen a coon back track itself 30-40 yards, literally walking in the same paw/foot prints going backwards towards the dog to jump to a tree. Or how about a coon that timbers out like a squirrel crossing from tree to tree for several hundred yards?

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The ones that can average hunting at 10+ mph are the exception not the rule. Thereís not one alive thatís going to average 28 mph in a corn or bean field. I would say the majority wouldnít average over 5mph hunting.


oh I'd say the average dog only hunts at 3-4 mph. And I most certainly agree there probably isn't 1 alive that could avg 20+ in beans. Corn the dog might hit double digits but not for an extended period of time.

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Do y'all REALLY believe that coons play dirty tricks on dogs?


Yes, I have seen them. I would have swore that dogs were running a fox or rabbit round and around in a thicket one night during a comp hunt until the coon passed by us with the dogs 20 yds behind it. The coon eventually came out of the thicket when it got tired of playing with the dogs and went in a rock hole. If I hadn't seen the coon plainly with my own eyes, I would have bet money that they were running a fox.

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I used to go up to Wisconsin and hunt every year. We would cut directly into the middle of a standing corn field instead of down the side or around the edge. They said that the coon were in the corn, not around the edge. A buddy from up there had a dog that was hunted in the corn fields all of her life. She was wide open on track when trailing but when she shut up you knew that she was fixing to catch the coon. She would trail in those huge corn fields for 10-15 min but when she went silent she would catch the coon in 2-3 min. I have seen and heard some awful fights when 3-4 dogs catch a 25-30 lb mean ass boar coon in a standing corn field. When you get to them, they will have a 10 ft circle cleared out without a stalk standing.

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I used to go up to Wisconsin and hunt every year. We would cut directly into the middle of a standing corn field instead of down the side or around the edge. They said that the coon were in the corn, not around the edge. A buddy from up there had a dog that was hunted in the corn fields all of her life. She was wide open on track when trailing but when she shut up you knew that she was fixing to catch the coon. She would trail in those huge corn fields for 10-15 min but when she went silent she would catch the coon in 2-3 min. I have seen and heard some awful fights when 3-4 dogs catch a 25-30 lb mean ass boar coon in a standing corn field. When you get to them, they will have a 10 ft circle cleared out without a stalk standing.
I can 100 percent see this, but that's a lot different than running a hot race for 2 and 3 hrs.in corn field.

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Only way I know to explain is that There are dogs that have won plenty, and are good coon hounds otherwise, that will run in the corn or beans at certain times of year and look bad.

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Only way I know to explain is that There are dogs that have won plenty, and are good coon hounds otherwise, that will run in the corn or beans at certain times of year and look bad.


Iíve seen the same thing happen. What do you attribute that too?

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Iíve seen the same thing happen. What do you attribute that too?


I attribute it to the type of dog. Every dog has holes, even good ones. Some of the good ones have a knack for staying in the corn or beans too long, so that is one of their holes.

People overthink things.

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I can 100 percent see this, but that's a lot different than running a hot race for 2 and 3 hrs.in corn field.


I am not saying that a dog won't run a fox or coyote in a corn field but some coons also like to run instead of climb. I guess that they think it is fun.

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I'm confused. I've only been coon hunting since 1960. If you see the coon cross a road 3 times and never see a deer, is it still a deer?
that's pretty funny rite there, I guess some boys think if it ain't happened to them it must not be true......lol

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A person should not comment on things he's never seen. If you tell me your dog can play a piano, I won't form a opinion until I go to his piano recital.

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Here's something most have not seen before, a 20 sec vid of a possum putting a billy goat move on what looks like
a skunk

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Now I have seen something I've never seen before!!! And I loved it...lol

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This is one is pretty good also

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I'll bet if the dogs caught that in a corn field you could tell what it was! Lol

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I bet this coon would give a good corn field chase
https://youtu.be/rp_gGTiUWu8

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I have seen those races that go forever in my neck of the woods and know for 100% it was a coon. These were fast dogs too that ran track with their head up.

The coon has the advantage in the thick stuff, just like a mouse has the advantage on the fox in thick stuff.

I remember one night a coon ran for an hour or two in August in a corn field. The treed it and when we got to the tree the dogs were laying down treeing and the coon was up on the first big limb panting with it's tongue out like a dog.

I seen coon do that to a dog and as soon as it came out into a clear woods bam coon caught on the ground.

I seen them run them a while and catch them in the corn.

In my area as a general rule if it hit the 20 minute mark it was not going to climb it was gonna be caught on the ground or get in the ground.

I have always thought that the coons that didn't climb were not local coons, just drawn in to the corn but its just a guess.

And yes I'm talking seeing the dang coon during the race, having it come by us a few times and the dogs coming out with no hair around their eyes having to lay them up for a few days due to eye swelling and drainage.

As for all the folks claiming they are just trashing cause THEY never seen anything like that. I have a nice story. I remember a bigtime competition hunter and breeder that is friends with me. It just made no sense to him that we broke our dogs from treeing in the ground. He said that's where the coon went that's where he wanted his dogs to tree. Well in our neck of the woods the whole mountain is hollow. I have shot coon out and they bounce once and get in the ground before the dogs could catch it. He just didn't believe coon lived in the ground and it was so rare that they treed in the ground he couldn't understand it.

Fast forward a couple of years and he called me. Said he understood it all now. The RQE was in my area. He spent all night going to ground holes (half of our coon there denned in the ground) while a local dog broke off holes located the holes and went on striping them cause he would end up on a tree. All three of the other dogs would be treeing a hole. They all got circle but the dog that located the hole and went on kept his strike open and treed coon on the outside while they were dragging dogs out of holes all night.

Just because he had never seen it he didn't know what we were dealing with in our area. He never said he didn't believe us but the phone call made me think he may have thought that and felt guilty after learning the hard way LOL.

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Ya'll are forgetting something. If a coon runs down a single row (as in a panic) a dog can catch it quickly. But every time he turns out of a row into the next row the dog makes a momentary loss and the coon can run a long time like that.

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I don't understand what the size of the fields have to do with the dogs and the coons.
evidently you never been in a 300 acre cornfield after 20 sets of coon tracks if you got a hound that can pick out a track and bring it out of there and tree it you really have something no one else has. Some dogs learn to run the edges and tree the ones already up.

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