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sounds like you guys are going to have to train your dogs not to back a treed dog on a recut.

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sounds like you guys are going to have to train your dogs not to back a treed dog on a recut.

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You guys really stop an think about it not having leash lock puts a stop to things for the good.

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Re: Leash lock

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Richards
My thoughts are that Dog A and B trees would be scored before one turned back loose on C. Imo. Dave
soon as your done scoring dog A you recut dog A and then score dog B. if you held your dog while scoring dog B that would considered being leash locked.

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Re: Re: Leash lock

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soon as your done scoring dog A you recut dog A and then score dog B. if you held your dog while scoring dog B that would considered being leash locked.
That will be your option of you want to stay on leash or not. Now it can be used to benefit you.

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Re: Re: Leash lock

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soon as your done scoring dog A you recut dog A and then score dog B. if you held your dog while scoring dog B that would considered being leash locked.
How can you consider it being locked if you're holding the key?

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nextcoonhunters
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Leash lock

Proposal 5. Leash-Locked. (Passed 4-3)
Eliminate leash-lock rule altogether, unless all dogs are declared treed and cast decides to move to a new location after all trees have been scored. If cast decides to move, hunt time shall be stopped while walking to trees with dog(s) on leash. Hunt time shall be called back in during shining time only.
As far as no leash lock does that mean when I get to the tree before we shine I recut my dog, than we score the tree. No sense in him watching me shine for 8 min. he knows he has him, time for him to go get another one.
" If cast decides to move" does this mean a majority vote? I guess the guide all get stuck doing whatever the cast tells em they want to do.

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yadkintar
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I donít know how they are going to decide to cut but the one I hunted was 30 seconds I always teach mine to cut right from the tree.


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Re: Leash lock

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Originally posted by nextcoonhunters
Proposal 5. Leash-Locked. (Passed 4-3)
Eliminate leash-lock rule altogether, unless all dogs are declared treed and cast decides to move to a new location after all trees have been scored. If cast decides to move, hunt time shall be stopped while walking to trees with dog(s) on leash. Hunt time shall be called back in during shining time only.
As far as no leash lock does that mean when I get to the tree before we shine I recut my dog, than we score the tree. No sense in him watching me shine for 8 min. he knows he has him, time for him to go get another one.
" If cast decides to move" does this mean a majority vote? I guess the guide all get stuck doing whatever the cast tells em they want to do.

No , judge tells you to handle dog. Dog stays on leash til shine time is finished. Walk minute or may have to wait til the dog that is out opens mouth. If there is dog struck in or until 6 catches him. Then you turn loose. All cast agrees on time out an dogs will be kept on leash.

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Missed something there

Must be a pkc hunter to say 6.

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Re: Missed something there

quote:
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Must be a pkc hunter to say 6.
Sorry , may have kept it at 8. I think it was changed to 6 . Donít hold me to it.

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Re: Re: Leash lock

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No , judge tells you to handle dog. Dog stays on leash til shine time is finished. Walk minute or may have to wait til the dog that is out opens mouth. If there is dog struck in or until 6 catches him. Then you turn loose. All cast agrees on time out an dogs will be kept on leash.

Went back and checked I hot it all copied and pasted where did you read the rest???

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Re: Re: Leash lock

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No , judge tells you to handle dog. Dog stays on leash til shine time is finished. Walk minute or may have to wait til the dog that is out opens mouth. If there is dog struck in or until 6 catches him. Then you turn loose. All cast agrees on time out an dogs will be kept on leash.


You have the option to cut or stay leashed. a different rule covers that and it didn't change.

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Re: Re: Re: Leash lock

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You have the option to cut or stay leashed. a different rule covers that and it didn't change.
You right sir. Been awhile since I hunted ukc. Back when high scoring dog won the whole thing I cut loose every opportunity I could get.

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Re: Re: Re: Leash lock

quote:
Originally posted by joey
You have the option to cut or stay leashed. a different rule covers that and it didn't change.


So lets say ive got a me too dog and I decide to not exercise my right to recut until another dog trees. Then I can let mine go and as long as he gets there before the 3 min is up an other dog has a coon I can get points?

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Except for that pesky word " entirely". We will have to wait and see how Mr Gingerich interprets, "replaces leash lock entirely".

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Leash lock

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So lets say ive got a me too dog and I decide to not exercise my right to recut until another dog trees. Then I can let mine go and as long as he gets there before the 3 min is up an other dog has a coon I can get points?


Yes you can to my understanding. With new rule your dog has to cover within 3 min

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So if you score your dog and recut and he goes to a treed dog the most minus you can get would be next available tree. I am guessing with the new count down rule next available is 25. You shouldn't lose any strike points because the treed dog was treed before you were struck back in. So 25 minus would be all you should receive, does that sound correct?

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So if you score your dog and recut and he goes to a treed dog the most minus you can get would be next available tree. I am guessing with the new count down rule next available is 25. You shouldn't lose any strike points because the treed dog was treed before you were struck back in. So 25 minus would be all you should receive, does that sound correct?

If the only dog treed has 125 and yours doesn't get there before the time is out on tree the next available is 75.

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If your dog can only be treed in for 25, how in the world can next available be 75? Does that even make any sense?

So if you just pitch your dog in after 2 min but right before the 3 is up, he goes in for 25 and if he is there he gets 25 scored and if he is not he gets 25 minus for not being treed. But if you don't and he is there when you get there, he gets 75 minus. Gee, I wonder how many handlers will tree their dog if it is anywhere close.

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quote:
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If the only dog treed has 125 and yours doesn't get there before the time is out on tree the next available is 75.


But if your dog arrives after 2 minutes 25 is what is available. So to me next available should be 25. UKC definitely needs to take a look at this and make a clear decision or it's going to be getting scored differently in every cast.

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quote:
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If the only dog treed has 125 and yours doesn't get there before the time is out on tree the next available is 75.


In no way can it be justified that a dog that makes it in time can only get 25 but one that is late gets 75 minus.

I would not think this would happen as usually UKC has always made it the dog couldn't lose more than it could gain so if the countdown is up 25 would be all that was left.

Of course what do I know it's new to all of us. Talk about just blowing things up for destructions sake, this is it.

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quote:
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In no way can it be justified that a dog that makes it in time can only get 25 but one that is late gets 75 minus.

I would not think this would happen as usually UKC has always made it the dog couldn't lose more than it could gain so if the countdown is up 25 would be all that was left.

Of course what do I know it's new to all of us. Talk about just blowing things up for destructions sake, this is it.



Because the dog was not treed in and is present at the tree when the judge arrived it is undermined what time is off the clock when it arrived. That is why it gets next available and in the case of only one dog treed in next available is 75 points. If a second or 3rd dog have been treed after the 2 minutes have expired then the dog that was not treed in would take 25 for next available.

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When you "eliminate leash lock entirely", what will a dog that is recut strike back in for? And if UKC/Allen decides to leave the option in, will that change what the dog that is led to the next tree and then recut, strikes back in for.

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It would be next available strick position wouldnít it. According on what is already struck in .

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