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ole hoss
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Hunt what makes you happy!!

I have been hunting dogs for the public for 5 yrs, I have traveled to a lot of the big $$$$$ hunts from $30 entryís to $7500 entryís, I have hunted with the best money can buy, I have hunted with the biggest names in the business, and have had a good time with these people and these dogs, I donít have to like their dogs and they donít have to like mine!! They feed and water theirs and I feed and water mine!!
As long as your happy with your dog it doesnít matter what others may think. I have found that in this business a lot of peopleís hate is fueled by jealousy!! Iím not leaving myself out of this category, jealously is a feeling everyone has weather or not your man/woman enough to admit it or not is depends on where your at in life.
Some like a open mouth dog, some like a silent mouth dog, some like a chop mouth track dog and some like a bawl mouth tree dog, some like a trailing cold nose dog and some like a hot nose ambush style dog. Some like a big hunting dog and some like a dog that hunts and checks back in.
Point of this is EVERYONE LIKES WHAT THEY LIKE!! Donít push what you like on someone else. Let them like what they like and you hunt what you like!!

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But when you go to hunts your have to hunt with what you donít like so some choose not to go. I myself am not jealous I could and have gone to hunts and set on the tailgate and listen to a good cast of dogs put on a coon treeing clinic and none of them belong to me I enjoy good dog work.



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When you go to a restaurant you see Food you donít like too but you order what you like and the person your with gets what they like, when itís over you get up and leave!!
Their food sets on their stomach and yours sits on yours!!
You donít have to hunt in the hunts, you donít have to go. But just because tar doesnít like it doesnít mean itís not a good one and just because he does doesnít make it a good one either!! The world doesnít revolve around your likes or mine either!!

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This is interesting because for me it's always been the other way around, never satisfied with my dogs and always thinking the other guys dog was better than mine. Sell mine buy theirs and figure out the one I had was better. Never was very bright.

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This is interesting because for me it's always been the other way around, never satisfied with my dogs and always thinking the other guys dog was better than mine. Sell mine buy theirs and figure out the one I had was better. Never was very bright.

It can go that way too, just be happy with what you have cause some donít have nothing and what seems better may not be

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When you go to a restaurant you see Food you donít like too but you order what you like and the person your with gets what they like, when itís over you get up and leave!!
Their food sets on their stomach and yours sits on yours!!
You donít have to hunt in the hunts, you donít have to go. But just because tar doesnít like it doesnít mean itís not a good one and just because he does doesnít make it a good one either!! The world doesnít revolve around your likes or mine either!!




Now Jason you know there are just some dogs you would just soon not draw because they are a pain to hunt with. I donít get paid to go like you so your right I donít have to go. Far as what I like as long as they are treeing coons I will like anybodyís dog. If they got to beating me bad back in the day I would try and own them or at least breed to them.


I ainít telling you I like mine either.


I know what a good one looks like.


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Now Jason you know there are just some dogs you would just soon not draw because they are a pain to hunt with. I donít get paid to go like you so your right I donít have to go. Far as what I like as long as they are treeing coons I will like anybodyís dog. If they got to beating me bad back in the day I would try and own them or at least breed to them.


I ainít telling you I like mine either.


I know what a good one looks like.


Tar


Only dogs I donít like to draw are those capable of beating me, I donít care how there dog sounds or how many trees it makes, or if we see a coon up itís tree or not. Heís got to feed that dog, not me!! I go to the hunts to win not politic, we can do that on here or on the phone. I just think itís wrong that some people focus more on someone elseís stuff than they do there own. The word tells me that in order to see the splinter in my brother Eye i must first remove the log in mine. Same goes for the dogs!!

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Well I got to agree with you but I have the ability to enjoy anybodyís dog. I just like good dog work. I donít have anything near what I call a coondog they just tree coons. I will hunt all night with a top notch dog that belongs to sombody I donít know and have a blast.



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Seems to me if a person is gonna competition hunt , he doesnít have to like another mans dog . He just has to beat him. Donít know ole hoss on a personal level, but I believe his attitude towards what it takes to make a dog that wins , an should I say a coon dog sets well with me. There is no replacement for the hours spent preparing a hunting dog to do what itís bred to do. To me thatís happiness.

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Some people just like the type of dog they have. If they have a silent dog, then that is what they like. Instead of trying to change the dog to suit themselves, they change their likes to suit the dog.

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I just donít put the time and effort into having better than what I got. Kinda like the topic I put on coonhunting conversations.


Do you still like to say your a coonhunter but really donít know if you still want to be one.



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Re: Hunt what makes you happy!!

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I have been hunting dogs for the public for 5 yrs, I have traveled to a lot of the big $$$$$ hunts from $30 entryís to $7500 entryís, I have hunted with the best money can buy, I have hunted with the biggest names in the business, and have had a good time with these people and these dogs, I donít have to like their dogs and they donít have to like mine!! They feed and water theirs and I feed and water mine!!
As long as your happy with your dog it doesnít matter what others may think. I have found that in this business a lot of peopleís hate is fueled by jealousy!! Iím not leaving myself out of this category, jealously is a feeling everyone has weather or not your man/woman enough to admit it or not is depends on where your at in life.
Some like a open mouth dog, some like a silent mouth dog, some like a chop mouth track dog and some like a bawl mouth tree dog, some like a trailing cold nose dog and some like a hot nose ambush style dog. Some like a big hunting dog and some like a dog that hunts and checks back in.
Point of this is EVERYONE LIKES WHAT THEY LIKE!! Donít push what you like on someone else. Let them like what they like and you hunt what you like!!



Címon now Jason! That makes too much sense! I donít think we should do that

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I absolutely agree with what you're saying. BUT, don't you think that if a person is gonna go to hunts and compete at a high level, it almost forces them to hunt a type of dog they may not enjoy hunting?

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I absolutely agree with what you're saying. BUT, don't you think that if a person is gonna go to hunts and compete at a high level, it almost forces them to hunt a type of dog they may not enjoy hunting?

Depends on what you like to hunt, I like a dog that hustles and has coon on his mind and getting one treed is his #1 priority!! This dog might be 800-1/2 a mile in just a few minutes but he will be done also.
So IF I had one like this I feel like I would be happy to hunt it and I feel like I could also hold my own st any level of competition.....I KNOW I can because Iíve done it

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Ole Hoss

As long as your happy with your dog it doesnít matter what others may think. I have found that in this business a lot of peopleís hate is fueled by jealousy!! Iím not leaving myself out of this category, jealously is a feeling everyone has weather or not your man/woman enough to admit it or not is depends on where your at in life.
Some like a open mouth dog, some like a silent mouth dog, some like a chop mouth track dog and some like a bawl mouth tree dog, some like a trailing cold nose dog and some like a hot nose ambush style dog. Some like a big hunting dog and some like a dog that hunts and checks back in.
Point of this is EVERYONE LIKES WHAT THEY LIKE!! Donít push what you like on someone else. Let them like what they like and you hunt what you like!!

Very Well said and a lot of us could learn from this.

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It isn't really the style of dog that people hate and jealousy has nothing to do with it. A lot of coon hunters want to hunt in competition hunts but they either can't or just don't want to run through the woods 3-5 miles in 2 hrs going from tree to tree. So they don't get to competition hunt and that is what they hate. When you hunt that style of dog you are effectively eliminating them from the world of big time competition coonhunting.. That is why they hate that style of dog and complain about them so much. Old Deep and Alone has forced them out of the world of competition coonhunting. Maybe that is one reason that the numbers are dwindling and the only ones left are the deep and alone dogs. People wonder why there are still a lot of pleasure hunters but they don't show up at comp hunts. Maybe that is the reason. Comp hunts aren't fun any more. You have to be a marathon runner to compete.

Hunt what makes you happy but don't force another man to try to keep up with what makes you happy.

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It isn't really the style of dog that people hate and jealousy has nothing to do with it. A lot of coon hunters want to hunt in competition hunts but they either can't or just don't want to run through the woods 3-5 miles in 2 hrs going from tree to tree. So they don't get to competition hunt and that is what they hate. When you hunt that style of dog you are effectively eliminating them from the world of big time competition coonhunting.. That is why they hate that style of dog and complain about them so much. Old Deep and Alone has forced them out of the world of competition coonhunting. Maybe that is one reason that the numbers are dwindling and the only ones left are the deep and alone dogs. People wonder why there are still a lot of pleasure hunters but they don't show up at comp hunts. Maybe that is the reason. Comp hunts aren't fun any more. You have to be a marathon runner to compete.

Hunt what makes you happy but don't force another man to try to keep up with what makes you happy.




I agree 100% ! And when you walk past 3 or 4 coons setting up while your walking to ole pain in the butt deep and lonely and we are leash locked because ours treed one close !!us old doggies that hide hunted donít believe in a
dog blowing past coons we hunted heads up the best track dog and best locater won. We didnít have to go to all 4 corners of the earth to gather dogs didnít have to have a tracking system either take yalls tracking systems away from you yíall would have a panic attack.

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You are correct Hoss. The biggest down fall and reasons many bad decisions are made in this sport, are because of jealously.

I have tried very hard to replace jealously in my heart with respect.
I try not to be jealous of what someone wins, but respect their desire and the dog.
I try not be be jealous of how much someone can hunt. But respect them pounding the woods night after night.

I will say that when I watch some of your videos that I am jealous of what looks like good hunting land that is easy to get around in. But I have been around a long time and I know that you have been through some Hell Holes following those hounds. I respect that and respect you sharing what you are dong with other.

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When a man/woman walks away from the cast in a bad frame of mind, it's usually more person related than dog related.

And, the "deep and lonely's" killing hunts? You do realize "they" say the same things about those cover dog babblers...right?

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When a man/woman walks away from the cast in a bad frame of mind, it's usually more person related than dog related.

And, the "deep and lonely's" killing hunts? You do realize "they" say the same things about those cover dog babblers...right?




Us old guys aint big dummys either who you think invented this stuff the young guys are pullen? A babbling cover me dog is at least competing against the other dogs. A babbling deep and alone dog ainít competing against nothing but the clock.


Get four of ole babbling deep and alone cover late get ate on the same cast you got .................. oh wait thatís a final four of a major $$$$ hunt lol



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Us old guys aint big dummys either who you think invented this stuff the young guys are pullen? A babbling cover me dog is at least competing against the other dogs. A babbling deep and alone dog ainít competing against nothing but the clock.


Get four of ole babbling deep and alone cover late get ate on the same cast you got .................. oh wait thatís a final four of a major $$$$ hunt lol



Tar



So...you don't compete because you created the dog you don't like to compete against?

I'm not sure anyone likes a babbler, even the guy winning with one.

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So...you don't compete because you created the dog you don't like to compete against?

I'm not sure anyone likes a babbler, even the guy winning with one.




I do still compete although I got plates and screws from head to toe lol. But I am old school I donít hunt dogs under 3 yrs old in hunts. I had some at 15 months old dominated what I hunted them with and at three I couldnít stand. Local level hunts I enjoy. The big hunts I run like a wounded duck and fall down all the time itís not fun to me.


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Us old guys aint big dummys either who you think invented this stuff the young guys are pullen? A babbling cover me dog is at least competing against the other dogs. A babbling deep and alone dog ainít competing against nothing but the clock.


Get four of ole babbling deep and alone cover late get ate on the same cast you got .................. oh wait thatís a final four of a major $$$$ hunt lol



Tar

I fear this plenty with ukc moving the direction it is. I do understand it's for the betterment of the rules and maybe even to promote better dogs to win.
But what if it is for the few elite dogs and handlers that can handle the so called betterment . In the past ukc has always been for a wide array of people and dogs of all levels of competition. Now where will the entre level be? Will it be fun or all business. Can a rookie or older fellow fit in? Will a average coonhound still be okay to take to a hunt or is it only going to be for the elite winners. You know babblers, deep and lonely, cover late get ate winners 1 way or another ,rule master type?

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I will give my take on it. I have always been and always will be a ukc supporter because I come from a time when that is all we had. Now not to sound selfish but the rules we are wanting are pretty much the rules of a kc thatís 30 miles from me but for one reason or anouther that kc has shot itself in the foot. So to put on a hunt here the guys have told me the hunt director needs to be able to hunt , tree countdown , and no leash lock , they want one hour double header mini slams. The rest of the rule changes they can care less about. Itís my understanding that the slam events ukc can change them with out the breed reps that might be the way they need to go. Now far as the money men in the sport most donít even hunt they just need a write off and spare no expense win , loose , or draw. A working guy cannot compete with that those big players are at every hunt and there is a bunch of them so when ukc hands out the big checks they are going to be there. But take the minie slams make it a race give a little local guy a chance by supporting the small clubs a chance take the top 10 of each state. I mean ukc makes their money off that guy all year unlike the paid handlers that just show up at the big dance and then get on here and tell us all about dat lol. Bottom line I know what the young folks want they are paying the bills. But I think there is somthing for us older guys too !! The one hour minie slams.


Sorry for my rambling.

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Thanks for the great insight tar.
It sounds to me like A be careful what you wish for kinda thing.

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