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Originally posted by Robert Johnson
You need to think before you speak. Its hard to find hunting ground now without trespassing, but I am sure there are many who care less about that. It will be interesting to see what actually makes it into the rule book.
some of it will, some won't, even some that has been voted on as passed.

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No matter kind of dog you are training or what you are training it to do, there is going to be some correction.

You think a Labrador retriever is steady to shot and force fetched at birth? You think heelers and stock dogs know the down command out of the womb? Setters naturally whoa when you tell them?

This is the most ignorant thing I've heard yet as to why these rules are not a positive thing, and trust me, that is not a small accomplishment, because there have been some dandies.

You think the rules are a negative because people might actually start training their dogs................wow.

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Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
No matter kind of dog you are training or what you are training it to do, there is going to be some correction.

You think a Labrador retriever is steady to shot and force fetched at birth? You think heelers and stock dogs know the down command out of the womb? Setters naturally whoa when you tell them?

This is the most ignorant thing I've heard yet as to why these rules are not a positive thing, and trust me, that is not a small accomplishment, because there have been some dandies.

You think the rules are a negative because people might actually start training their dogs................wow.

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Back to the way the breed associations worked--I didn't see any where of who represented any breed, now I may have missed something, but still have no ideal who represented any breed, how are paid up breed members going to express their ideals unless they know. not all can attend their annual breed hunts or Autumn Oaks. further more many that are in out lying states have fewer breed association members because they can't attend regularly their breed annual hunts. for example the local club I am a member of has 45--to 50 members that maybe 3 or 4 are members of their preferred breed association. now I'm sure those numbers would change if our location was closer to some of the annual breed day hunts. I really think it might be time for a change or to at least publics who are on the rules committee so all voices have a chance to be heard.

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Mr Johnson I have said once before if strick points were taken away a dog could back all it wants, fine with me. Yes I will say again, the points are undeserving. A dog that struck in for a hundred an ends up backing a dog with 4 minutes gone on clock an gets 75 is gaining undeserving points. Might I add , yes that dog needs a switch on his behind an ran out of there. That’s not competition hunting. Matter of fact I want tolerant it pleasure hunting.

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Absurd have you ever done any work that the department of environmental resource come in on? Tell them it's absurd and see if they care. There no different than the absurd idiots that wouldn't care for that style training that this rule will bring on. If your going to compete your going to train them to do whatever it takes to be competitive or stay home. The last thing we need is to let our rules give our sport a black eye.
All I'm saying is we should be careful the rules we choose don't have a negative effect on the sport over the long run.

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Your post regarding the rules and MOH comments has to be the best post you have ever made on this forum. Every word was the truth and spot on, proud of you for telling it like you see it, most of us see it that way as well. Your new clubs should do very well under your leadership, change is the only way we will get the younger guys and keep our hunts going. Dave

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Absurd have you ever done any work that the department of environmental resource come in on? Tell them it's absurd and see if they care. There no different than the absurd idiots that wouldn't care for that style training that this rule will bring on. If your going to compete your going to train them to do whatever it takes to be competitive or stay home. The last thing we need is to let our rules give our sport a black eye.
All I'm saying is we should be careful the rules we choose don't have a negative effect on the sport over the long run.

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I can't tolerate anyone abusing their animals, saying that I will give my 2 cents on today's training methods vs the old days training styles. Before the dollar I witnessed more dog abuse by hunters kicking, stomping and besting their digs for doing something wrong. I have refused to hunt with some because of the way they treated their dogs. The ecollars have been a blessing for dog training, it is a humane way to train and does not harm the dog. Anyone that thinks the ecollars is abusing probably does not need hunting dogs. The ecollars are effective and does not cause permanent harm to any dog, it works quickly and effectively. Can you ruin a dog using the e collar too much? Yes, you can, but a dog that does anything it pleases is worthless to a hunter. Most dogs with a brain don't need much correction and the e collar is way better than the old stomp and beat routine, that was abuse. Dave

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Originally posted by pamjohnson
Absurd have you ever done any work that the department of environmental resource come in on? Tell them it's absurd and see if they care. There no different than the absurd idiots that wouldn't care for that style training that this rule will bring on. If your going to compete your going to train them to do whatever it takes to be competitive or stay home. The last thing we need is to let our rules give our sport a black eye.
All I'm saying is we should be careful the rules we choose don't have a negative effect on the sport over the long run.

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Excellent post Dave Richards

Sleep head the rules do set the standards for the way many people train there dogs even plenty of pleasure hunters train there dogs to fit the rules weather they enter a hunt or not.

Yes I agree absurd

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Excellent post Dave Richards

Sleep head the rules do set the standards for the way many people train there dogs even plenty of pleasure hunters train there dogs to fit the rules weather they enter a hunt or not.

Yes I agree absurd

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Mr Robert Johnson one of the best Master of hounds UKC has ever had . Y’all better listened to him if you want to stay in business .

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Thanks for the compliment, but business will go on......maybe not as profitable...lol

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