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How do you go about getting a dog to hunt out. I have a young dog that I hunt and when hunted by itself it only hunts out about 100 yds. With another dog it will go as far as you want. By itself as soon as you cast it it puts its nose down and goes to trailing. How can you go about making it range farther.

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Is this young hound. How many times have you hunted it by himself?

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Mike she's a two year old but hasn't been messed with 5 or 6 before I got her. I've hunted her around 30 times since. She has laid a few up hunting like this and in no way do I exspect her to be a super dog just looking to put alittle distance on her because my country isn't the kind to ease along with a hound.lol. I've hunted her about half that time with another dog

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Mike she's a two year old but hasn't been messed with 5 or 6 before I got her. I've hunted her around 30 times since. She has laid a few up hunting like this and in no way do I exspect her to be a super dog just looking to put alittle distance on her because my country isn't the kind to ease along with a hound.lol. I've hunted her about half that time with another dog

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Mike she's a two year old but hasn't been messed with 5 or 6 before I got her. I've hunted her around 30 times since. She has laid a few up hunting like this and in no way do I exspect her to be a super dog just looking to put alittle distance on her because my country isn't the kind to ease along with a hound.lol. I've hunted her about half that time with another dog

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Cut her loose and bump her with e caller. She will either leave the world or come back to you. If she comes back to you scold her and send her on. Keep repeating. If you ruin her then ole well. I've used it many times to get one to recast off trees I like one to recast as hard as they do out of truck. You won't fix it in one night but it might work.

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you can not make a dog hunt ...you can make it uncomfortable to be close to you and it will go on its own.but as someone has already stated,cast it in the open before you get to the woods.and also hunt it in as open woods as you can.as the ole saying goes"rome wasn`t built overnight".just keep hunting it.
























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Thanks for the replies.

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Get one out of the right dog you ain't got to do none of that just a little advice a man made dog will get your butt beat in the hunts more often than not !!

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30 times out is really NOT that many nights for a dog to learn to hunt. Especially so when 50% of the time you have been training it to not rely on it's self but to follow another dog around.

If you want a dog to hunt by it's self, then that is the way you have to hunt it. There are NO short cuts. If the dog will go FAR in company, it will learn to go pretty far by it's self. It simply takes dedication AND patience.

Yes you can get around messing with a dog like this. There are some dogs that have been bred to get gone, flat out get away from you. Yes they are out there. But remember this, The more NATURAL drive to get gone, you have, the more trash problems you will deal with also. Now a very small number of dogs that have a lot of drive, are not TOO junky, but the majority that have the natural drive to get gone, also have the natural desire to run anything and every thing. So choose wisely when choosing which battle you prefer to take on.

If you truly want to allow the dog to reach it's full hunting potential, then hunt it by it's self for at least 100 nights before you ever put it back in company. It will by then have learned to start depending on it's self to find a coon, and not care as much about what other dogs are doing. GOOD LUCK!!

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Getting a dog to hunt, is just part of the equation.
You said he has sat in a kennel. So even though she is 2 she may as well be 6 months old.

Hunting her with another hound will help, but if you hunt her with another hound all of the time, it will have the opposite effect.
Teach the dog " hunt em up" or "git" will help.
Keep the dog in the woods will help.
The LIGHT touch of a switch will help.
Throwing a dog back in the box after it returns from not hunting will help.
Yelling and screaming and losing your mind typically do not.
Every dog is different, most will learn to hunt. You can use feeders, dropping the dog further and further from the feeder.
Shocking a dog will take the hunt out so fast you wont know what happened.
Higher octane feed will help.
Building the dogs confidence is huge.

A good trainer will get the most from every dog.

also how hard a dog hunts has no inherent effects on its ability to tree coon, my favorite hound will tree coon all night behind other dogs night in and night out.

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Getting a dog to hunt, is just part of the equation.
You said he has sat in a kennel. So even though she is 2 she may as well be 6 months old.

Hunting her with another hound will help, but if you hunt her with another hound all of the time, it will have the opposite effect.
Teach the dog " hunt em up" or "git" will help.
Keep the dog in the woods will help.
The LIGHT touch of a switch will help.
Throwing a dog back in the box after it returns from not hunting will help.
Yelling and screaming and losing your mind typically do not.
Every dog is different, most will learn to hunt. You can use feeders, dropping the dog further and further from the feeder.
Shocking a dog will take the hunt out so fast you wont know what happened.
Higher octane feed will help.
Building the dogs confidence is huge.

A good trainer will get the most from every dog.

also how hard a dog hunts has no inherent effects on its ability to tree coon, my favorite hound will tree coon all night behind other dogs night in and night out.

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Cut her loose and bump her with e caller. She will either leave the world or come back to you. If she comes back to you scold her and send her on. Keep repeating. If you ruin her then ole well. I've used it many times to get one to recast off trees I like one to recast as hard as they do out of truck. You won't fix it in one night but it might work.

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Ya hahaha just shock em that's a good plan!lmao I guess that's one way, but that's not what I'd try!!!! E-collar is good for a lot of things but usually in situations to curb or stop a certain behavior not to get more out of a dog and in this situation it would probably blow her mind. Put her in coon!!! And hunt the fire out of her if she has the drive it will come out.

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Cut her loose and bump her with e caller. She will either leave the world or come back to you. If she comes back to you scold her and send her on. Keep repeating. If you ruin her then ole well. I've used it many times to get one to recast off trees I like one to recast as hard as they do out of truck. You won't fix it in one night but it might work.

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I have never heard of such a thing. I figure if it ain't hunting or going you need to cut them where they have to go far, hunt the crap out of it, or as previously stated get rid of it and find a new one.
Shock it??? Lol

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Ya hahaha just shock em that's a good plan!lmao I guess that's one way, but that's not what I'd try!!!! E-collar is good for a lot of things but usually in situations to curb or stop a certain behavior not to get more out of a dog and in this situation it would probably blow her mind. Put her in coon!!! And hunt the fire out of her if she has the drive it will come out.

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I've never used shock therapy to make one hunt out of the truck. I've got one now that would flat cover ground out of the truck but wouldn't hunt good at all off the recast. I cut her off a tree the other night and she was 1/2 mile in there in about 5 minitues. I used e caller to get her to do this. But didn't use it the other night. Took about one month some late nights and big woods. I also used this technique on 2 other hounds and it worked. You just better have more since than the hound. I've never tried it on a heartless hound. I've also used the turning one loose in a field on young hounds.

It's funny some people make fun of advice you give. Even though you have prepared a lot of hounds for big hunts that got there picture taken.

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well that's what he was talking about hunting out from the truck!just read what he wrote, I don't think it will work in this situation. We all know you have a great dog, you tell us all the time and I'm proud for ya I really am. But read what he said again and see if you'd still use the e-collar the dog probably isn't collar conditioned either.

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Thanks for all the replies. Looks of good ideas. Getting another dog is not an option at this time. I like everything about her except the going hunting part. Lol

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Any of these ideas may work on some dogs but not for all of them. If you're set on workin the dog thru it Fisher13's advice is the safest route with less chance of any drastic set backs and in the end should work as well as anything else. That's what I'd do personally.

After it came back from not huntin out far enough I might tie it to a tree and continue huntin with another dog. I've had good luck with this. They're gonna put up a fuss but pay no attention to them and ya likely won't have to do it many times and it'll get the picture.

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Corn liquor y'all shock em to make em go y'all shock em to come back poor dogs don't know if they are sacking groceries or carrying out !! No wonder scores are low in the hunts whole lot easyer to breed for it instead of all that high tech dog training stuff I ain't never had to do all that crap to get one to tree a coon and done my fair share of winning.

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Corn liquor y'all shock em to make em go y'all shock em to come back poor dogs don't know if they are sacking groceries or carrying out !! No wonder scores are low in the hunts whole lot easyer to breed for it instead of all that high tech dog training stuff I ain't never had to do all that crap to get one to tree a coon and done my fair share of winning.

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You shock mine. He's looking to knock the back outta the dog box. It will make him go alright. 100 Mph back to where I cut him.

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I guess it's the generation gap lol !! I come from a time where all we had far as equipment goes was rubber boots , a leash and a light of some kind and we had big hunting dogs just like now but you just had no way of knowing where they was till they opened not knocking what ever works for you when ever I get one a little short on hunt I just hunt them with dogs that do hunt out we just go hunting without them they either start hunting or well you know what's next lol!!

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