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I wish we could find some coon dogs from the old days that could run a track like you wouldn't believe. Now days all you hear people say is he is an awesome tree dog well he might be but if he ain't tracking nothing ain't nothing going to be in that tree he is blowing the top out of. I have not seen a coon dog in a long time that suits me when it comes to tracks. I've seen dozens of bear dogs that will take a 14-16 hr old track and find him. We need more of that in our hounds today. Instead of all this all grand papers that won't flush down the toilet.

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I got a few, Big Money, when I cut him loose he will run over you if your in the way or if a dog stops to pee on a bush he will get ran over, And his pups are the same way!

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14-16 hour old track dogs ....... Thank GOD there prehistoric !

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Where we live hot nosed dogs only tree coon when they are on the ground, which means not that often.

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How in the world do you know a track is 14 hrs. Old.

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See it cross, Mark it and come back 14 hrs later

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I don't know about 12 hr old tracks. But i have a couple one is Brookshire HARD KNOCKIN HAYES bred. And the other one is WALTZ bred. Try a Silverado Dan pup out of a good nosed female. They are trailing cold nosed hounds that trail up coon and tree them and you SEE them . But they are alot of straight line hot nosed pop up dogs. And that what some like . They make you think they are not many coons most nights. But look good when they are moving.

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See it cross, Mark it and come back 14 hrs later

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i dont buy it you can't honestly tell me that's the same track/animal 14hrs. Later. Here's a shocker, I don't think any of us know how old any givin track is!lmao.

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I guess that's what you'd have to do.

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You can know how old a track is at least with bear if you see one cross a road an go back later to run it especially if it has markings say scars or any identifying markings an you get it treed or caught seen it done several times , or with the use of trail cameras

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But how do you know he's been goin and not hanging around? And wouldn't a bear leave a heck of a lot more scent. How far can a bear travel in 14 hrs.? I would think several miles easily? I've walked 27 miles in less than 7 hrs. And I was drunk!lol

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But how do you know he's been goin and not hanging around? And wouldn't a bear leave a heck of a lot more scent. How far can a bear travel in 14 hrs.? I would think several miles easily? I've walked 27 miles in less than 7 hrs. And I was drunk!lol

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Because I've seen dogs open on the track where they cross the road . An the trail cameras have dates an time on them of when they were there . Dogs trail for a mile before they jump the bear . Only one set of tracks in the dirt or snow so you know it keep walking . It may only go a half mile or mile an lay down from the track where you start at that was seen the evening before , so they still have to smell the tracks that was made 12/14 hours earlier.

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I used to have an old mixed up dog when his nose hit a coon track it went one of two places....up or down! He didn't have quitting sense and would tree coons behind other hunters that had passed them by. When he treed he would have the coon. The only bad side of it was, if it took him two hours to tree it, then you were two hours catching one coon. Now I'm not saying he couldn't move and drift a track because he could. A hot track he would run to catch. I don't know how long some of those tracks had been gone, but sometimes other dogs couldn't or wouldn't finish with him. I find that more than anything else with hounds today isn't so much the tracking problem, but the treeing problem. Competitive hunting where the fastest dog to the tree has been bred into these hounds until they are tree stupid! Where I live here in WV. the hunting is so tough that if you have a slick treeing dog, one of two things usually happens; new home or a bullet. Just recently I retired my old female. She could make a bad track sound good and you could cock your gun when she treed. She went back on DEANWOOD DRIFTER. She had the track and tree power. I have pups off her and Tim Osborne's HARDWOOD BEAN dog and also from her and Tim's BIG MONEY dog. No dog is perfect. All dogs miss sometimes. I tree coons! I don't put up with a dog going around barking up trees with nothing in them. My dogs don't seem to have any problem getting from the start of a track to the finish. I have found that dogs take the back track more than people realize resulting in the track getting worse and eventually blowing up or dogs treeing on a tree where the coon was feeding or a den tree where it came from. Eight year old female took the back track night before last while my young dogs went the other way. They were confident in taking it the right way and didn't let the old dog pull them. They had the coon when they treed. I don't want a dog that will trail all night in a hollow or cornfield. On the other hand, he better be able to take that track, work it, and get it to the right tree if he eats my feed very long.

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Don't get the impression that just because a dog can run a track that their going to always be parked under a coon somewhere. Some dogs track to much & don't have the smarts to check a tree to see if a coon is up there or went on. A sorry track dog is no better than a sorry tree dog Probably go hand in hand at finding a tree with a coon in it!! JMO

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A lot of dogs now are really good at hot tracks usually the one the dog in front of them are leaving. The cold tracks ( it's the ghost coon grandpa ) lol.

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this is why you hear about dogs being lonely and deep. They run as hard as they can until the come across a red hot pop up coon, Most can't work an older track.

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I'm not so sure I want a cold nose dog, medium sounds better to me. Never compare what a hound can do on a bear to what they can run on a coon. Bear stink and leave a 1000% more sent. It’s like comparing a dog running a coon to one running a rabbit. They normally can’t run a rabbit that is 30min old.

Also don’t make the mistake of thinking because a dog can open on an old track and move it around that it is a track dog. Being a track dog simply means they can move the track they are running and do it right. If its hot or cold doesn’t make it more or less of a track dog. It just makes it cold or hot nosed. Running it fast and in the right direction takes brains and drive. That’s what most of them are missing.

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we have game camera's on our bait barrels that's how we know how old the tracks are.

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I have a female out of insane cain and malden branch sally that can flat show you how to run and tree with the meat a cold track, I also have a male out of big d and saige that can do it too, so there not a thing of the past. The main thing is that they run the track in the correct direction and they don't stand on there head doing it,I really don't even hunt till its turned cold and all the easy coons have been treed that way I can show these boys what a real coon dog is after they go for a week and say there are no coons at such and such I will go show them. I also love to pull up to a spot where a group is leaving and cut loose usually they hang around till I'm treed then they leave .

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I miss going to my grand dads pens and pulling Ole Sissy and Jake out and knowing without a doubt we would get a coon that night no questions asked yes some nights it felt like it took them forever to get it done but when they opened I knew they were going to finish it. I have made fertilizer out of a lot of dogs that are mentioned on the post here. One in particular was out of a well known stud he was 2 years old bought him as a pup and I walked to 17 slick trees with him in a row before I ended the headache. I keep a note book in my truck on each one of my hounds how many coons they tree, how many slicks and off game. I don't say it looks like it could be there its there or its not. I have a female now that has done a lot of winning but she couldn't run a cold track if her life depended on it. Maybe I'm just expecting to much out of my hounds, maybe I just need to accept this is the way it is now day but I've had dogs to do it they are just few and far between. I don't buy other peoples junk either every dog I have in my pen I have trained with the help of a few fellow hunters. It don't eat long here if it don't get it together. Might need to shorten my measuring stick lol.

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track dogs.lol My dog is very accurate and keeps the track moving in one direction. Has caught coon on the ground and he leaves a trail of dead possums that don't make it to the tree and that deer wasn't even fast enough for him last night. That is what you call "RUN TO CATCH"

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