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Bruce m. Conkey
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Which KC will take Thyroid issues serious

Why dont a dog need some blood test along with DNA to identify thyroid concerns. Dont allow any pups from them to be registered if they have a thyroid issue. Anybody want to get serious about this issue.

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I doubt that will ever happen Bruce. But I will be the first to volunteer all my dogs (2) to be checked. Heck they can even check me if they like.


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Re: Which KC will take Thyroid issues serious

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Why dont a dog need some blood test along with DNA to identify thyroid concerns. Dont allow any pups from them to be registered if they have a thyroid issue. Anybody want to get serious about this issue.

#1 Because of costs. Adding DNA plus thyroid testing would price their papers out of the market.
#2 It would be unprofitable to to register fewer dogs because of health issues. UKC is a for profit business.
#3 I'd bet that the majority of coonhunters don't consider it a serious issue.

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It might be costly but think about the dividends a breeder would reap from promoting a clean product. It would also show the breeders that have something to hide.



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In other country’s the breeders a very hard core about health standards and performance. Many of the dogs in other country’s and other registries must pass DNA test that show if they carry traits for health issues and pass a performance (hunt) test before they can be registered. For use they just have to be out of registered parents. One step further is that openly use dogs of other breeds to “add” things that are needed for health and performance of the breed, And they cull hard. It’s a completely different culture then what we have . Not saying it’s better or worse, but they are very successful for one reason or another.

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Not UKC problem. The problem is with those doing the breeding and the people still buying from those breeder's. So your question should be when are we going to smarten up

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Jim everything you said I agree with. But we talk about what is going to end coon hunting. Between the tick disease and thyroid conditions. I don't see many people willing to deal with thee issues and continue. Especially if you're looking for spending the money to train or buy the top shelf hound.

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In other country’s the breeders a very hard core about health standards and performance. Many of the dogs in other country’s and other registries must pass DNA test that show if they carry traits for health issues and pass a performance (hunt) test before they can be registered. For us they just have to be out of registered parents. One step further is that openly use dogs of other breeds to “add” things that are needed for health and performance of the breed, And they cull hard. It’s a completely different culture than what we have . Not saying it’s better or worse, but they are very successful for one reason or another.


This is how it should be...

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because 99% of the time this mostly self diagnosed thyroid problem we have in the coon hound world is something that is leaned on for dogs that are just not performing at the time. Of course the vet is gonna show you that the dogs thyroid is a few points off normal as long as it means making a little money off the meds it takes to fix it. An example of this is my little brother has taken thyroid meds for a few years now. He runs/ran track at USM and was/is a top 100 ranked D1 sprinter before he was on thyroid medication and he was/is a top 100 D1 ranked sprinter after thyroid medication. It had no effect on his performance in the field whatsoever. But as long as people keep buying the meds and blaming dog performance on it those vets will keep collecting their checks.

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because 99% of the time this mostly self diagnosed thyroid problem we have in the coon hound world is something that is leaned on for dogs that are just not performing at the time. Of course the vet is gonna show you that the dogs thyroid is a few points off normal as long as it means making a little money off the meds it takes to fix it. An example of this is my little brother has taken thyroid meds for a few years now. He runs/ran track at USM and was a top 100 ranked D1 sprinter before he was on thyroid medication and he was a top 100 D1 ranked sprinter after thyroid medication. It had no effect on his performance in the field whatsoever. But as long as people keep buying the meds and blaming dog performance on it those vets will keep collecting their checks.
if little brother is taking thyroid meds because of a medical issue ask him to stop taking them for a month and then get back with us on how that worked out for him. Ive had my thyroid removed, along with 14 lymph nodes in my neck. Extra synthroid didn't give me more energy.

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Maybe it’s kind of effects on humans vs dogs. I know a dog can smell a biscuit further than I can. They can drink out of a mud puddle and be ok and I would get sick.


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How much do pups and dogs cost from those other registries where the pups/dogs are tested? Coonhunters gripe about paying $300-$500 for a pup and $1,500 for a young started dog. Try to buy a bird dog or O.F.A. certified dog and see what it costs you.
If you are serious about thyroid issues, just insist on a signed certified vet check that includes a thyroid profile before you buy a dog. It isn't that hard.

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Richard some coonhound pups are bringing a $1,000 +.
At 8 weeks old.

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Some are PRICED $1000+. Very few actually bring that. And the ones Richa4d are talking about, $1000 wouldn't make a decent down payment.

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Those are "special". My brother sold "certified" regular German Shepard pups for $1,500-$2,500. Regular certified "pet qualify" Rottweiler pups are $500-$1,500. When you start certifying pups/dogs, someone has to pay for it.

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Is this disease more prevalent in The Walker Dogs or is it showing up in all breeds...Their has to be a common denominator..Folks said feed but i know dogs that are being fed a raw diet that have it...breeding linebreed or from the family tree quite alot??...Is their a line of walker dogs that are not having as many problems..We hopefully can find partial solution without relying on a kennel club..Crossbreeding cattle help in our farming operation but everyone says crossbred coonhounds dont reproduce.....

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Johnny, I think it comes down to...
1. Do you want big money winning Coonhounds or do you want Coonhounds with no thyroid issues?
2. Are you willing to pay the price to have Coonhounds with no thyroid issues?

And both of these answers are contingent on whether you see it as a real problem.

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As Jim has stated start looking at some of the other sporting breeds cost versus a coonhounds cost. Coonhound stud fees and pup prices have pretty much stayed the same for the past 30 years. Coonhounds are cheap compared to the others.

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As long as there's meds to hide the effect of the disease it isn't going to be addressed by enough coon hound breeders to get rid of it. Imo, no dog that has a thyroid problem should ever be bred including the ones that got thyroid issues from side effects of a tick disease. "Hardy" is a forgotten word. Stud dog owners should demand thyroid test on all females

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Why is it a registry problem? If you are concerned, than just do what you need to do. It is called being responsible.

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Is this disease more prevalent in The Walker Dogs or is it showing up in all breeds...Their has to be a common denominator..Folks said feed but i know dogs that are being fed a raw diet that have it...breeding linebreed or from the family tree quite alot??...Is their a line of walker dogs that are not having as many problems..?


To me, these are the questions that need to be answered, very publicly. Some folks don't mind hunting a finished thyroid dog that's either been juiced or is medicated and able to compete because of it, but alot of folks that actually raise pups and train young dogs would avoid them like the plague if the prevalence in certain lines was common knowledge.
Meanwhile, I doubt that any of the kennel clubs will be willing to step off into the thyroid issue. They provide a registration service, and they head down a slippery slope when they start attempting to regulate health issues. To me that should fall on breeders to sort out.
We've seen the rise and fall of the "All Grand" pedigree, do you think we'll ever see a "Verified Thyroid Issue Free" pedigree?

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I got a litter on the way the reason is I have friends I owe pups to. We all do that to keep each other in dogs they have a litter they give me one I have a litter I give them one. It works we all always got dogs that tree coons. When we breed we keep in mind would you want your friend to give you a pup they knew there was a chance their might be a health issue with I sure wouldn’t. I hope mine only has about 4 then the day they are weaned they are gone lol.


But we all know the unsaid rule that pup don’t make it you cull it.


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Oh my goodness, you only have 4 friends?.... (Now you asked for that one)

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Ain’t got none my age lol. And ain’t many of us as enthused about it as we used to be this crap is ruffer than it used to be stepped right on a rattle snake last night guess my heart is still in good shape but I almost needed a depends diaper it’s ok it cleaned up when I got in the shower.


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Not any kc's problem. If you know the dogs and breeders with issues, just don't fool with them.I get a lot of calls and guys coming to hunt from all over, not counting people I call friends that hunt, and I have only had one guy that has a thyroid dog I know tell me his dog had it. I just read about it on here like it's a sweeping plague.

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