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Dogs are faster and quicker, but in order for most dogs to be faster they must run hotter tracks.
There NEVER has been many cold nosed dogs with the ability to be FAST. Just my opinion, Ken Risley

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a Walker Breeder and would take, let’s say, a “hound” that had 1/4 Running Walker 1/4 English Pointer and half Treeing Walker and he did real good and won some Big Hunts he may just breed a few females. Would the Pointer give him the running gear and heart and the Running Walker blood the speed-could that have been the secret to a winning mix???

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I had a friend that spent his life trying to find dogs of superior ability and he believed that the secret was crossbreeds as he 'd never seen a registered dog that met his standards. He was always trying to find another cross like the one that produced Corb, Friday and Saturday. The sire was Porkchops, a grade bluetick that was part english setter and the mother was purebred Kentucky Running Walker. His name was Ross Porter.

I've observed that outstanding trackdogs will cause normally loaner type dogs to become packdogs after a couple coon or the loaner will just disappear for the night even though more than capable of treeing their own coon. The dogs know when they are out classed better than we do.

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I have been around the hunts for 40+ years and many youngsters may be surprised to know that in the last couple years I have seen some of the slowest track dogs i ever seen. Ever. That also includes the slowest tracking Walkers. I don't know if it is worse or if it doesn't matter much but these slow track dogs i have seen are winning fairly often. Tree a coon alone and press dough. Winner.

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We see the zones scores 600-800+
Then we get the cream of the crop, the “best” 4. We put them in 400 acres in Indiana that wasn’t hunted for weeks and 225 wins?

What are we missing?

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
Tyler, you are correct, I have been hunting over 55 years and I DEFINITELY know today's dogs are much better across the board. I have seen and hunted top coon dogs from the 70's until now the 2020 era and I see way more decent dogs today than back in the early years. Today's dogs are naturally cleaner dogs, do not run as much trash and most can tree coons by themselves and start at an early age. It was a rarity to see any dog that could tree a coon by themselves under one year old back in the day. Dave

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I think we all know that if you have time to build a fire with a dog trailing that most likely that hound is hung up on a track it cannot move...Mr. Alpha has shown us all what kind of hound you are feeding. You know if he is covering that same track over and over and over and then pow he slams a tree that has been to twenty times...Mr. Alpha also show that hound that is not hunting a track but is more of a flush type quail dog that scares a coon up a tree two miles away and has the coon 90 percent of the time...Its all in what or how you want to hunt really...

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Originally posted by OLD TIMER
We see the zones scores 600-800+
Then we get the cream of the crop, the “best” 4. We put them in 400 acres in Indiana that wasn’t hunted for weeks and 225 wins?

What are we missing?

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a Walker Breeder and would take, let’s say, a “hound” that had 1/4 Running Walker 1/4 English Pointer and half Treeing Walker and he did real good and won some Big Hunts he may just breed a few females. Would the Pointer give him the running gear and heart and the Running Walker blood the speed-could that have been the secret to a winning mix???

Just asking for a friend

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I have been around the hunts for 40+ years and many youngsters may be surprised to know that in the last couple years I have seen some of the slowest track dogs i ever seen. Ever. That also includes the slowest tracking Walkers. I don't know if it is worse or if it doesn't matter much but these slow track dogs i have seen are winning fairly often. Tree a coon alone and press dough. Winner.

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Don’t have to, it already was done. And it worked😉😉 This was told by his owner and I have no reason not to have believed him.

He won the ACHA World Championship. He had the feet of the Pointer along with the white body and the little brown patch at the base of his tail.

Was a good move and put the drive and get deep that some wanted.

I owned an English Pointer and hunted birds behind him. Unbelievable how hard they will go. And the nose they have is hard to describe!! I seen him and his sire hunt in dry and windy conditions in Iowa and Missouri and find birds off of scent that made one enjoy the ability of their nose.

Wonder if this “could be” why some are a little tight on track, my pointer never said a word when he was working scent😂😂

Just saying???

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a Walker Breeder and would take, let’s say, a “hound” that had 1/4 Running Walker 1/4 English Pointer and half Treeing Walker and he did real good and won some Big Hunts he may just breed a few females. Would the Pointer give him the running gear and heart and the Running Walker blood the speed-could that have been the secret to a winning mix???

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A Running Walker that trees "IF" you have the old Liquor blood in their veins. Some of my coyote hounds that I have had for 22 years will tree with the best Tree Hounds out there. They have been used on bear, bobcats and yes even coon. One I had called Lucky in the late winter would get under one if he couldn't fine a coyote and there was no calling him off, you had to lead him off the tree. Funny thing is he was a belly rubbing tree hound that had a nice steady chop.

As far as a freak?? Don't think so because there where some others in the litter that made a name for their selves also. Just never won a World Championship.

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I'm wondering. Are coon hound breeders the only breeders that go away from what they've supposedly been improving on for generations? Do bird dog people ever 'add' something to enhance their bloodline? Maybe bloodhound to strengthen scenting ability? Do thoroughbred breeders ever add some Clydesdale for more muscle? Has anybody ever seen a pup out of one of these world champion bird dog crosses that would rather point than run a track? A while back we had a story about a world champion that had to be sheared like a sheep before every hunt or he looked like a spotted collie. I've been coon hunting for 62 years and I've never seen one of thee oddities. Has anyone else?

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Lol im with ya! Breed solid coonhounds and there is nothing better, sure they(outside crosses) will produce a freak pony here and there, but see how long they keep it going.
Most will not do the work it takes to produce a fine hound and resort to something else.
You can add pointer in and add big hunt ambush style, but you can live with poor mouths, short ears, no tree, hyper etc....popping up for years to come.............it don't wash out real quick

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