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Looking for thoughts on breeding a dog back to his own granddaughter. Would like to hear opinions/personal experiences.
This is a unique situation. Sorta like the Hardwood homer dog.
This dog breed his daughter years ago and has since died. I have semen on him and have located a granddaughter to him through the inbred/linebred cross on her fathers side. I am interested in trying a semen cross between the two.
This would make the dog I have the semen on the father on top. The great grandfather on the bottom side as well as the great great grandfather (both on the female I want to breed dads side).
I would also like to hear of any cross that would be similar to this. Possibly big money winning crosses.
Thanks and I look forward to any info.
Sorry I know this is a little confusing...

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I made a grandmother to grandson breeding with good resualts. Really comes down to what your doubling up on, their bad traits can you live with em

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Looking for thoughts on breeding a dog back to his own granddaughter. Would like to hear opinions/personal experiences.
This is a unique situation. Sorta like the Hardwood homer dog.
This dog breed his daughter years ago and has since died. I have semen on him and have located a granddaughter to him through the inbred/linebred cross on her fathers side. I am interested in trying a semen cross between the two.
This would make the dog I have the semen on the father on top. The great grandfather on the bottom side as well as the great great grandfather (both on the female I want to breed dads side).
I would also like to hear of any cross that would be similar to this. Possibly big money winning crosses.
Thanks and I look forward to any info.
Sorry I know this is a little confusing...

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I have made a similar cross and have had excellent results...the thing is when line breeding or inbreeding we want the pair to be as good as can be...

Every now and then one may be a great dog with an excellent pedigree and the other dog not so good but an excellent pedigree of the same...in this case you are breeding to the dog mainly because of what is in the dog and not so much what the dog is...I can think of one reason to do this...there isn’t another dog with the pedigree of the bloodline your after no matter how good the dog is the pedigree does not add up to what you want...

More than likely you will like the results...

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You are going to either get the good, the bad, or the ugly.
The bad will come back to haunt you because you just doubled it up..
When breeding this close I always tell people you have got to eat ,sleep, and breath those dogs.
That is why you see some breeders lines endure and others go "POOF" after the first or second generation.
They paid the price to get where they are at .
Just because it looks good on paper the genes still must line up.
Do not let sentiments cloud your judgement. Be totally honest with what faults or positive qualities they have in common. First how much like the grandsire is she.
Don't think you will breed out something one of them had that you disliked.
If you believe she is as much like her grandsire as anything you have seen .Great .Give it a try.
But if she is not anything like him. You need to go find one that is his replica. Or as close as you can find. That is the one you want to cross.

Like Reuben said too. If this is a last ditch effort because there are no more then make the cross. But you again must be willing to accept failure if it does not give you the hoped results.

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When breeding this close I always tell people you have got to eat ,sleep, and breath those dogs.
That is why you see some breeders lines endure and others go "POOF" after the first or second generation.
They paid the price to get where they are at .
Just because it looks good on paper the genes still must line up.
Be totally honest with what faults or positive qualities they have in common.


Like Reuben said too. If this is a last ditch effort because there are no more then make the cross. But you again must be willing to accept failure if it does not give you the hoped results.

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I really appreciate all the response.

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I'll provide you a little more technical answer. Research shows that most line breeding done with a 20% COI or less is relatively safe. COI stands for Coefficient Of Inbreeding. That doesn't mean a skeleton won't show up in the family closet. Just your chances are better that it won't.

Typically, speaking unless there was generations of close breeding such a cross will not be above 20% COI.


Pat,

I will go a step further. A breeder should always accept responsibility for a cross whether it is line bred, in-bred, or even a complete out-cross.

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totally agree with what Pat Bizich wrote above... If your female is a carbon copy of the grand sire then try it.. It comes down to like genes combining to get the traits... It can be Great, good, BAD and horribly ugly... Be prepared to accept the results regardless of outcome and if the pups turn out to be GREAT, stay humble...

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