novicane65
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Originally posted by Ghost14
My point was that mouth has nothing to do with trailing ability. And no, not many hounds will trail a 2 or 3 hour old coon or bear track. It’s not apples to oranges. I test dogs pretty regularly as they are maturing and you’d be surprised how few dogs can trail a 2-3 hour old bear track. I hunt coon, bear, and hogs with the same dogs never saw an ounce of difference in the game of choice just the dogs ability. Cold tracks aren’t run at 10 miles an hour if you are hunting a dog like you say you like, you aren’t cold trailing anything. True good cold trailing dogs are few and far between. The same dogs that were good cold trailing bear were also treeing coons from the night before with the same cold trailing style in the daylight. I’ll add that every one of those ran a jumped track heads up and could run 10 yards off the track on the downwind side and flat out leave a pack that wanted to track straddle in the dust. Again, those are rare, rare, rare.
Do like Dan suggested and turn a coon out a county over and bring ol barn burner back in 2 hours and learn for yourself. Do it at noon so that he don’t blow in there and tree another coon and fool you into thinking he cold trailed the first one. These bear hunters do it all the time on old bear tracks, and deer tracks or anything else that scuffed up a bank leaving the road. Dogs blow through the country having butthole races and eventually fall off on an ambushed pop up bear and tell all about the cold trailing that their dogs did. Some of us know the difference but most don’t. I’ve stood in a high gap and listened to dogs “cold trail” a deer right past me more than once and run into them boys when I come out a few hours later. They always “cold trailed” a bear through a gap and were still after him!!!!
It’s fine if you want that style of dog. Makes no difference to me. But I’ve seen dogs trail and catch game that entire packs of dogs couldn’t even smell. And do it over their lifespan. They were elite. If you say yours runs around at 10+ miles an hour and is cold trailing and catching 2-3 coons in 30 mins. that other dogs can’t smell I’m not sure we can ever agree on much.
Never seen 3 coons treed in 30 mins with any cold trailing involved. Our definitions of cold tracks are vastly different I guess.
It’s a useless argument anyway, everyone that expects a dog to cold trail knows that every day is different. Climate changes by the minute and an hour old today may seem like 5 hours tomorrow. There are a hundred different theories on what effects it and I don’t have an answer. I just know what I see and what you see are very different, but mine don’t have any titles in front of their names just ripped up ears and scars from head to toe. And two missing a leg.
Do you honestly think a coon that weighs 15 lbs lays as much scent as a 300 lbs bear? And you're delusional if you think the dog I prefer cold trails. I don't want a cold trailer for coon. I want medium nose, that can run a track drifting it out. I don't like a straddle type track dog. And exactly what I said weather and conditions play a huge role in whether or not a dog can cold trail a 10 hour or however long you're looking for. I've seen it here first hand when a dog can't take a 1 hour old track, and a 15 minute old track. But I can say the dog that couldn't take a 15 minute old track I only hunted 1 night. I'm not as inexperienced as what you may think. I just know what I prefer for coons, and what wins hunts.
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