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SugarCreekBlues
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Rule 4d the one minute rule is why you cannot release dogs until the judge tells you to. He has to run the minute each time dogs are released and you cannot turn loose until he's ready to start the time.

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Rule 4d the one minute rule is why you cannot release dogs until the judge tells you to. He has to run the minute each time dogs are released and you cannot turn loose until he's ready to start the time.
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Huh I mean ........... Well huh lol.




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Richard Lambert
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Mr Gingerich, I know that you are back with us now. Are you not going to give us UKC's official ruling? If you turn your dog loose or if you handle your dog without the judge's permission, can he scratch you?
Or is this one of those "grey areas" with a lot of maybe yes's and maybe no's.

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nextcoonhunters
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 This topic came up again

So what is Ukcs official stand?

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Allen / UKC
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 Re: Re-Cast situation question

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Originally posted by Nick Jennings
Dogs A, B, C, and D are struck in and A, B, C are declared treed. Upon scoring the tree, we step away from the tree and Dog D is barking a few hundred yards away. Handler D trees his dog immediately while A, B, C are still on the leash. Is this a leash lock (even though shine time was over and tree was scored)? Or should we have cut loose the second we heard dog D barking



Under current rules; those scored dogs are leash-locked. In 2020, the scored dogs will have the option to recast unless the cast agreed to call time out after scoring Dog D.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Mr Gingerich, I know that you are back with us now. Are you not going to give us UKC's official ruling? If you turn your dog loose or if you handle your dog without the judge's permission, can he scratch you?
Or is this one of those "grey areas" with a lot of maybe yes's and maybe no's.



The judge is the one in charge and the "instructor" of the cast, so to speak. Yes, the judge could scratch a handler for casting or handling his dog when he was instructed not to.

But that instruction to cast or handle should be consistent within the rules. Therefore, such a scratch could be questioned, and in the end, the official ruling should reflect the applicable rule as it relates to the specific situation at hand.

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... in the end, the official ruling should reflect the applicable rule as it relates to the specific situation at hand.


Oh my goodness, I don't really know what that means but it sure does sound good.

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Oh my goodness, I don't really know what that means but it sure does sound good.



Maybe if we turn it upside down it will mean something else let’s see .................. nope I still don’t get it.



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shadinc
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I think he mean coonhunters ain't ejaketed enuf to understand so we ain't gonna axe no mo questions.

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By the time after stepping away from the tree, listened and agreed that (Dog D) was barking,... we pointed A-B-C in D's direction, and handler of Dog D treed his dog. We ended up keeping them on the leash and walking to her tree


I was this handler D once several years ago and the other 3 got deaf on me . Put the 2 on me while she was clicking em off ( easily heard ) and minused me costing me cast win and placement in a large hunt. Learned my lesson on handling this EXACT situation ..... AND it may be a long time but some day i'll draw them again. The chickens will come home to roost !

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