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Re: Re: Will it make them better?
Originally posted by berger
Lance Laymon I respect your opinion, and in my opinion some of these rules will help in producing better dogs down the road. UKC has seen a younger generation hunting in other major hunts in other registries. So there was going to be rule changes and a lot of rule changes were approved.
1)Now I am not in favor of the 3minute tree rule but not because I think it will devalue the dogs. The 3 minute rule will speed up the hunt which is great for the younger generation. I am not sure if the older generation will be able to keep up except in maybe 1hr hunts. We will see. I hope all these changes will bring some of the younger hunters that hunt other kennel clubs and keep the ones that have been hunting UKC events.
2) Tree count down this is one of the best rules Ever in the history of UKC to be approved. This will Improve the quality of dogs produced, bred and hunted. I will give you and example why. A Real UKC Hunt: 3 dog cast I will call them dog A,B&C Dogs cut all dogs struck 100yds infront A&B went straight ahead to the right C swung to the left opening. A treed B treed 5 was up walked in scored coon. Pulled off C still opening recut A & B strike again working a track C trees B quits her track and goes to C, tree B go and score tree coon seen. I will shorten it up for You A and C each treed 3 coons that night never together and never in the hunt were all dogs treed at one time. B scored on 6 coons, but never once treed a coon but multiple times quit a track to go to a dog treed. 5 out of 6 times that night she got to a dog treed after 2minutes and sometimes 4minutes won the cast by 50points with 600+ and a 1st place in the hunt. She quit multiple tracks through out the hunt to go to a dog treed. That is lack of desire, heart and ability. Now hypothetically put dog B in that final cast at the UKC World hunt she could have scored on all 6 of those coons and never treed a one of them that would have gave her 450+ not even counting any of her strike points and could have won the world hunt by doing exactly that. Do you really think the best dog would have won or that dog deserved to win a hunt like that?? I will say it is impossible for a dog to go a mile and cover a dog in 2minutes or even 3 for that matter. This would mean a dog would have to run 30mph to do that Impossible. to do it in less then 3 it would need to do 20mph through weeds, corn, beans creeks as a lot of hunts are held in this time of year practically Impossible. The count down might not be as important in areas where only 1 or 2 coon are scored in a hunt. But here in Iowa and Midwest where multiple coons are scored a count down is very much so needed.
3) The leash lock will be good if they keep the rule in place now that is there and give the guy the choice if he wants to turn loose or not after scoring his dog tree and all other dogs are treed and there not going to call timeout That is now the only time a dog is leash Locked. If they take the choice away from a handler then this rule is no good.
4) Silent on track: This rule has done nothing to improve hounds over the years. In fact it just might have made them worse. With 1hr hunts do you realize that a dog hunting beside a corn field and bluff with coons setting in oak trees a dog could wind locate and tree 3 coons in and hour hunt and never open on strike by using his nose breeze and brains and get scratched for doing and absolutely fantastic job that a hound is supposed to do. Once people start breeding for nose and brains instead of bark we will have a lot better hounds and a lot less slick trees. Just my Opinion
Now proposal 1 and proposal 7 that passed has nothing to do with improving hounds those are just rules to try and deplete the competition. Which is the kind of rule changes you have seen for many years. Like needing to tree your dog if it is definitely treed. That has absolutely nothing to do with improving hounds. JMHO
I understand the hunt you described , but how often does this really happen? Iím not trying to argue about it, I just donít see it happening that often. I see digs being led around on a leash lock way more then I do this dog dropping tracks and covering everything.
I am in the same opinion as you that the dogs that stayed to themselves and treed coons did good work, but that is our opinion. Had those 2 dogs stayed together for a duration of the hunt , the hitchhiker wouldnít been able to pull this off. With that said the rules were set up to score a pack of dogs working together, now that we all think loners are the answer the rules are changed to help them. Maybe we are looking at this with rose colored glasses. Just another way to look at it.
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