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Hoosier man may I ask a question.

You say a loaner you are limiting yourself to 1 kennel club and not a quality score. I think a quality score is 12 1/2 if you win... BUT,

WHEN IT COMES TO WINNING WORLD HUNTS,AUTUMN OAKS,GRAND AMERICAN,NEW SLAM SERIES DOES IT TAKE QUALITY SCORES OR JUST A SCORE TO WIN THE CAST AND ADVANCE? I never seen it make a difference whether a 1000 plus or 25 plus if you only need to advance. QUALITY SCORES ARE FINE AT CLUB HUNTS OR YOUR BREED DAYS BUT THEY DONT PUT WORLD HUNT TROPHIES ON THE MANTLE.

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Congrats on Final 4 number 2 last night Nick

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Them boys hunt with me got 69 camaro. That joker sounds like the garage getting ready to take off. They tinker and talk. Somehow they understand each other. I always thinking what the heck are they saying how do they hear anything. Lol

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Hey if you strive for cast wins then that's what suits you. If you like those average 100-400 plus cast wins and are happy then that's all that matters. When you hunt dead loaners get used to average scores because that's all you will get.

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Congrats on Final 4 number 2 last night Nick

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[i]Originally posted by N Williams A dog that will cover will cover on a slick. They may be good about trailing buy but they will do it. I can not stand that. [/B]

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Hoosier,I would be happy on those 100-400 scores with my loner as long as it a CW. Especially in that big hunt in Sept and that big hunt in October. But to each it's own. I agree totally you can not get those BIG scores with independent dogs usually. THE ONLY THING TO ME THAT REALLY SCREWS A CAST UP IS WHEN SOMEONE SHOWS UP WITH A COONDOG.

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You your in the final cast of a hunt and a $27000 truck is on the line, $4000 at a prohunt, a $40,000 world hunt in other words alot is on the line. You have just pulled your hound off a tree with 20 minitues left in the cast. There is a coon on the ground 3/4 of a mile away but a hound is split 100 yards from ya, another is split behind you at 600 yards another hound is trailing 400 yards in another direction. You have got to tree a coon for a chance to win and you will be put in this circumstance often when your drawing the best in the country. There are hounds out there that can give you a chance to win but there worth more than $800-$2500. This is not a $25 dollar entry fee hunt this is a hunt it takes a hound of a high caliber to put you in this circumstance in the first place. This seperates the Gr.nites for sale on the internet from the big time winners. Thats the difference you can make fun of me if you want.

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Hey if you strive for cast wins then that's what suits you. If you like those average 100-400 plus cast wins and are happy then that's all that matters. When you hunt dead loaners get used to average scores because that's all you will get.

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I think people are getting confused between loners vs. a dog that racehorses through the country. Some dogs just have a knack for being under a coon to themselves be it close or far. in my 35 years of coon hunting I have seen a few dogs that worked in a crowd that could trail by slick treers but not many. but really what its all about is hunting what suits you.

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Big scores win cash/trophies .... Cast wins win you checks.

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I think people are getting confused between loners vs. a dog that racehorses through the country. Some dogs just have a knack for being under a coon to themselves be it close or far. in my 35 years of coon hunting I have seen a few dogs that worked in a crowd that could trail by slick treers but not many. but really what its all about is hunting what suits you.

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In my opinion if dogs go 5 minutes without striking a coon they should be scattered and looking to do there own thing.

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Did you ever think a coonhunter might tell you he gave more for a dog than he really did !! I used to ride to some big hunts with a guy he would buy a dog for 500 dollars and before we got home he would have me believing he gave 5000 dollars for it !!!

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I disagree with the lonely dog not being able to rack up big scores. We decided to haul my Harry dog to Oaks in 2008. We drew a Big name (Docs Honest Abe). We ended up with 875+. 100- which came from Harry getting hit by a car crossing the road and coming in and taking the minus. Harry was alone on every tree he made, and last strike on most. In my country with the same dog I would be happy with 250+. My point: In thick coon country a true loner ( not a race horse just trying to run a mile thru the country) can rack up just as many points and I would say more than the pack dog that is taking second-third tree on some with the pack. I will take the 25 strike 100-125 tree plused up alone anytime over the pack dog.

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I aggree. Dots the most independent hound I've ever seen in the walker boys complain when they draw her. I know she scored around a 1000 at oaks and at the state hunt this past year she had 475 in a little over a hour and closest thing to her had a 100 - but we don't have coons to get high scores here. Alot are going to get mad when when I say this but folks that complain about dead loners or deep and lonely do mainly because they don't have one. People that write and complain and say it can't be done LACK DOG POWER. I'm talking about compitition hunters. If your in thick coon they can split 200 yards. When you don't have no coon in your area take one that will be in the country alone with 2 lookin down I can even win.lol.

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I aggree. Dots the most independent hound I've ever seen in the walker boys complain when they draw her. I know she scored around a 1000 at oaks and at the state hunt this past year she had 475 in a little over a hour and closest thing to her had a 100 - but we don't have coons to get high scores here. Alot are going to get mad when when I say this but folks that complain about dead loners or deep and lonely do mainly because they don't have one. People that write and complain and say it can't be done LACK DOG POWER. I'm talking about compitition hunters. If your in thick coon they can split 200 yards. When you don't have no coon in your area take one that will be in the country alone with 2 lookin down I can even win.lol.

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I aggree. Dots the most independent hound I've ever seen in the walker boys complain when they draw her. I know she scored around a 1000 at oaks and at the state hunt this past year she had 475 in a little over a hour and closest thing to her had a 100 - but we don't have coons to get high scores here. Alot are going to get mad when when I say this but folks that complain about dead loners or deep and lonely do mainly because they don't have one. People that write and complain and say it can't be done LACK DOG POWER. I'm talking about compitition hunters. If your in thick coon they can split 200 yards. When you don't have no coon in your area take one that will be in the country alone with 2 lookin down I can even win.lol.

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Ok sir you win. I have no clue what a nice hound is. The other night at warm up hunt 44 dogs were entered 4 coons were scored. And I love people that bring up dead dogs. If that hound had no moter and heart he couldn't get it done were I live. I've hunted in northern Kentucky east and west. You don't have coon like Some places but more than we do. I had a dead dog one time that I could sit on tailgate and he would tree them shoot them out and bring them to me. That was in the early nineties. He didn't produce that trait though.

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Ive been lucky enough to hunt several world champions, a national champion and a couple superstakes winners and I am fairly certain that not one of them knew what registry they were entered in.
I prefer an indifferent dog that don't care what the others are doing. They must be able to operate at a high level with a pack or with a cast of loners.
In my opinion if you have a dog that can win a high percentage of casts and consistently strings several cast wins together no matter which registry or what the coon population is, you have a big money dog.
The problem is finding one, no matter how much your willing to pay. They are so rare that some of these guys will pay what most of us consider ridiculous money for one.

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Ive been lucky enough to hunt several world champions, a national champion and a couple superstakes winners and I am fairly certain that not one of them knew what registry they were entered in.
I prefer an indifferent dog that don't care what the others are doing. They must be able to operate at a high level with a pack or with a cast of loners.
In my opinion if you have a dog that can win a high percentage of casts and consistently strings several cast wins together no matter which registry or what the coon population is, you have a big money dog.
The problem is finding one, no matter how much your willing to pay. They are so rare that some of these guys will pay what most of us consider ridiculous money for one.

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I would have to sell a dog for 200,000 dollars just to break even on what I spent on dogs but the best one i ever owned I raised myself he's been dead 6 yrs now and I am back to the drawing board but I would give alot of money for another like him he always gave you the opportunity to win no matter who you got drawn out with but your right those kind of dogs are not there in bunches

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Ok sir you win. I have no clue what a nice hound is. The other night at warm up hunt 44 dogs were entered 4 coons were scored. And I love people that bring up dead dogs. If that hound had no moter and heart he couldn't get it done were I live. I've hunted in northern Kentucky east and west. You don't have coon like Some places but more than we do. I had a dead dog one time that I could sit on tailgate and he would tree them shoot them out and bring them to me. That was in the early nineties. He didn't produce that trait though.

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