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This is the most honest discussion on accuracy that has ever been on this board. You either see them or you don’t.
If you got an 80% year around dog you should win world hunt multiple times. Anything over 60% of actually seeing a set of coon eyes or Coons body is well above Avery.

HOWEVER, I did have a possum dog that was a 100% accurate. I never walked to a tree and thought man he missed that possum. Always had them. I enjoyed him as much as any dog I ever hunted. I was young my buddies where young and we were death on possums and flashlight batteries.

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Yea hunted with some great possum dogs need a possum world hunt and call it the sam cup but then there would be layup possum dogs and circle trees lol

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This is the most honest discussion on accuracy that has ever been on this board. You either see them or you don’t.
If you got an 80% year around dog you should win world hunt multiple times. Anything over 60% of actually seeing a set of coon eyes or Coons body is well above Avery.

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Billy, it’s like spitting in the wind trying to get folks to accept reality. I’ve always said you get one that is 2 out of 3 (66%) year round using the coon seen or coon not seen method, you’ve got one that is well above average.

Yes there are dogs out there that may have better accuracy, but they are the exception and are few and far between.

Years back I kept track of a hound for a year using coon seen or coon not seen. To say I was shocked at the end of that year would have been an understatement! LOL

Makes for interesting discussions if nothing else!

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I got one female that is 100% accurate guaranteed to have fur in the tree every time.

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I see guys talking about the dog they have or had that was/is 80-90% accurate but they aren't saying anything about the 100 other dogs they had that were only 60%. What is the % of dogs that is 90% accurate? Maybe 1 out of 100?

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Billy, it’s like spitting in the wind trying to get folks to accept reality. I’ve always said you get one that is 2 out of 3 (66%) year round using the coon seen or coon not seen method, you’ve got one that is well above average.

Yes there are dogs out there that may have better accuracy, but they are the exception and are few and far between.

Years back I kept track of a hound for a year using coon seen or coon not seen. To say I was shocked at the end of that year would have been an understatement! LOL

Makes for interesting discussions if nothing else!

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I see guys talking about the dog they have or had that was/is 80-90% accurate but they aren't saying anything about the 100 other dogs they had that were only 60%. What is the % of dogs that is 90% accurate? Maybe 1 out of 100?

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Accuracy is in the eye of the beholder. If the owner tells you a dog's accuracy, automatically deduct 20%

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i had one like that in the 80s .if he barked 3 times unless it was a place of refuge you would see eyes . border collie x australian shepherd . lol killed 54 coons 28 grinners 2 mink and one badger in his first season . enough $ to buy my first car at 16 years old and buy my school clothes .

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I see guys talking about the dog they have or had that was/is 80-90% accurate but they aren't saying anything about the 100 other dogs they had that were only 60%. What is the % of dogs that is 90% accurate? Maybe 1 out of 100?

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Accuracy is in the eye of the beholder. If the owner tells you a dog's accuracy, automatically deduct 20%

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Richard,....I have kept records of the dogs I keep for several decades (1980s)..

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Larry, I am just curious but did you "not keep" dogs because they weren't accurate? It is refreshing to hear that the "vast majority" that you have kept were accurate.

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...... If we could only understand how they really think this would all be a lot easier.....

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That would take all of the fun out of it.

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Richard,

Hmmm, I didn't really say they were accurate. I said typically they were 70-80% accurate. Isn't that two separate things?? There is always room for improvement.

Most all the dogs I raise I keep. Their accuracy was more for determining whether or not they were breeding stock. The most accurate dog I had was not breeding stock nor did I keep her. She was purchased for an outcross that never happened. My son's old dog went through a bad flying squirrel phase, but once she got past that she was one of the most enjoyable dogs to hunt night in and night out. My dogs are far from perfect, but the one thing I like is they are trainable. More than anything I can't tolerate stupid.


Joey,

I don't keep records in the summer time for a couple of reasons. The areas I hunt the understory is too thick to even get a light in the tree. The other reason is I can't see worth a hoot. My buddies make a big deal out of when I find a coon before them.

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Larry, from what I have experienced, seen, read and heard 70-80% is "accurate" and you aren't going to get anything more out of a "good" comp dog. In order to get more than 80% accuracy you have to give up something in another area.

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I tallied up percentage at our club for 1 year. The winning cast average was 33% coon seen.

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Oh my goodness....
I guess that accuracy in comp dogs and accuracy while pleasure hunting are two different things.

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I will take a dog that will make a legit circle inside of an hour any day over a dog that takes 61 minutes to tree a coon. Of course a coon inside an hour is better but working cold tracks or finding coon where there are none takes time.

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Oh my goodness....
I guess that accuracy in comp dogs and accuracy while pleasure hunting are two different things.

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Is a good coon dog the same is a good comp dog? I know opinions very on what it takes to be both. just wondering?

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It's my belief that you can't be concerned with keeping accuracy records when leaves are on trees. I have a dog now that proved to be extremely accurate all winter with no leaves. When the leaves came back I found coons in only two of seven trees. Did that mean she was less accurate? Trying to figure accuracy with leaves on trees is kinda like umpiring a ball game blindfolded. You can't make a decision on what you can't see.

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Back last summer early season opened on a wma i hunt regularly. My hunting buddy and i made several trees that we didnt see a coon in. His argument was leaves. It was late august and hot and dry. I would have believed the reasoning except my uncle and his buddy were turning loose behind us an seeing coon. Our dogs are as accurate as any when leaves are off but during cold weather scenting conditions change too. After i told him we didnt have the dog power to get it done in hot dry tough conditions he quit hunting with me. I totally agree that your not gonna see all the coons with leaves on but were we treeing old smart coons that night while my uncle treed stupid coon that would look at anything. I doubt it

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Back last summer early season opened on a wma i hunt regularly. My hunting buddy and i made several trees that we didnt see a coon in. His argument was leaves. It was late august and hot and dry. I would have believed the reasoning except my uncle and his buddy were turning loose behind us an seeing coon. Our dogs are as accurate as any when leaves are off but during cold weather scenting conditions change too. After i told him we didnt have the dog power to get it done in hot dry tough conditions he quit hunting with me. I totally agree that your not gonna see all the coons with leaves on but were we treeing old smart coons that night while my uncle treed stupid coon that would look at anything. I doubt it

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