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100%hunter
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thanks for the invite I would love to. I still hunt some through the summer but there's nothing like hearing a hound work a track on those cool fall nights.

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You guys that count dens as slicks crack me up why would you count it at all could it be empty ? Yes could it have a coon ? Yes . I was in a cast at walker day a few years ago in Ohio we made three dens that night and were able to look in and see coon in all of them . I would be willing to bet you would be the first one crying in a night hunt if they tried to minus you for a den instead of circle it.

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Cole run

Agree with your post, we don't make a lot of den trees in the winter time, but at least half of them had coons that we could see in them. I believe a lot of dogs tree way too much on den trees that don't have coons, but a real accurate dog will have the coons den tree or not. I don't believe we trees over 10~12 dens all winter and the ones we did, we found the coons at least 6~7 times. Dave

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I personally look at the big picture of how the night went over keeping records on every tree. I don't need records on the keepers and I am not spending time to write information down about the ones leaving here, just to fill the trash with paper after they are gone.
The methods used to keep these percentages are so different by everyone that it is confusing. Then you get one with a high percentage of coon. No one will believe you and you sure don't need that number to know whether to keep one or not. So what do you do with that number and pages of results from trees made?

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I personally look at the big picture of how the night went over keeping records on every tree. I don't need records on the keepers and I am not spending time to write information down about the ones leaving here, just to fill the trash with paper after they are gone.
The methods used to keep these percentages are so different by everyone that it is confusing. Then you get one with a high percentage of coon. No one will believe you and you sure don't need that number to know whether to keep one or not. So what do you do with that number and pages of results from trees made?

My point exactly! You should know when you're enjoying coon hunting and when you're not.

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Had a dog that was near 100% accurate. We hunted her with a FLIR to check all the trees and dens in a month in Indiana and she didn't miss one. She won more hunts than probably any dog I've ever owned too. When she cocked that head back you could plan on plus n her up. She won 2 PKC Pro Hunts, 7th in the World Hunt, and 2nd in All Breed Challenge Hunt. First Redbone Gold Ch. and $19,100 won in PKC when she died at 7 years old. Most money winning Redbone ever in PKC.

Accuracy don't take away from their ability to win big hunts. It makes them better.

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Well stated, those who haven't experienced such accuracy don't believe it exists. Personally, I know it does I have seen a few like that and they will spoil you. Lol. Dave

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Like my hunting buddy said," It's like she knows where the coon is when you release her."

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Question for those that keep numbers and facts. If your dog locates and trees and the GARMIN says that in about a minute it moved a few yards and you heard it but don't want to admit it. You get there and it has a coon. Is that one slick and one coon or just one coon.

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Had a dog that was near 100% accurate. We hunted her with a FLIR to check all the trees and dens in a month in Indiana and she didn't miss one. She won more hunts than probably any dog I've ever owned too. When she cocked that head back you could plan on plus n her up. She won 2 PKC Pro Hunts, 7th in the World Hunt, and 2nd in All Breed Challenge Hunt. First Redbone Gold Ch. and $19,100 won in PKC when she died at 7 years old. Most money winning Redbone ever in PKC.

Accuracy don't take away from their ability to win big hunts. It makes them better.

Doc. Do you think she located differently than most of the other dogs do. When factoring their nose is 10 million times stronger than ours and there eyesight is much better than ours do you think she could see the coon in the tree before she located. Do you believe a hound can see the coon in the tree with there nose. I believe a dog that never misses is locating the coon differently then ones that do.

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I don't know if they can "see a coon with their nose" but, they're definitely doing something differently than other dogs. It's amazing to watch (on a Garmin) a dog tree a coon where another dog just passed.

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I have heard people say that a dog was "treeing like he was looking at it". I have never even thought that might be true. I am going to have to think about this one.

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I don't know if they can "see a coon with their nose" but, they're definitely doing something differently than other dogs. It's amazing to watch (on a Garmin) a dog tree a coon where another dog just passed.

I believe they some can. I hunted with a back n ran female about 20 years ago. I hunted with her 3 times she would always be right under the coon. I mean if the coon was 25 feet out she would be right under it.

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They say Rat Attack was 30% so I would say if you got one that was 35 to 40% that would be good. The guy that owned Rat said if he would have been 50% he would have keep him......

I HAVE NO PROVE BUT SOME ONE RECENTLY TOLD ME THEY TOOK ANOTHER DOG TO FINISH RAT 35% ACCRATE AND HOW MANY FEMALES WERE BRED ..THATS REDICULOUS

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I hunted with the man that owned ratattack before buzz . I asked cliff why he sold him . Was told way to many slick trees .

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Ratattack was above average for accuracy for his breed.

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Rat did more damage to the breed than any one dog probably will ever do again.

N Williams, Yes I think the really accurate ones have some kind of way of knowing where the coon is in a tree. They do not even tree den trees without the coon being on the outside. I think they simply have a knack for working wind thermals vs a dog that trails a track to the tree and has to smell it going up the side. In the summer when the leafs on the trees change the thermals my dog doesn't make near as many trees as he does in the winter. I have never noticed that but with one other dog and he was extremely accurate as well.

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A stud dog that throws blow up tree dogs at a high percentage will be high on the performance list. Accuracy helps get them there but it takes a treedog to make nt champion. Treedog & accuracy is important when one describes a coondog. However, very few treedogs ever make it to the coondog category.

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Rat did more damage to the breed than any one dog probably will ever do again.

N Williams, Yes I think the really accurate ones have some kind of way of knowing where the coon is in a tree. They do not even tree den trees without the coon being on the outside. I think they simply have a knack for working wind thermals vs a dog that trails a track to the tree and has to smell it going up the side. In the summer when the leafs on the trees change the thermals my dog doesn't make near as many trees as he does in the winter. I have never noticed that but with one other dog and he was extremely accurate as well.

I've had really good track dogs that there ability to track would put them where the coon was but they would miss often by a tree or to. I have owned a couple of deadly accurate hounds in my lifetime. But never had one that wouldn't miss a little certain times of the year. A friend of mine has a dog off American Express. He's mean but everyone that hunts with him swears up and down he would dominate the hunts. Never misses. They say may make 70+ trees in a row you see coon in no matter what time of year it is. He said he's watched him locate a tree. Said he he ran into the tree locating like he could see it in the tree. If we could figure out how there doing it it might help us train and breed for this trait.

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Doc. Do you think she located differently than most of the other dogs do. When factoring their nose is 10 million times stronger than ours and there eyesight is much better than ours do you think she could see the coon in the tree before she located. Do you believe a hound can see the coon in the tree with there nose. I believe a dog that never misses is locating the coon differently then ones that do.

Down south she ran hard and fast and was pretty tight mouthed. I think she ambushed coon down there most of the time. In the north she was wide open on tracks but she wouldn't mess with old tracks. They had to be pretty fresh tracks for her to open on and she pushed them hard. I'll see if I can dig up a video of her in Indiana.

I'm not sure she could see them in the tree but I suspect she could. She would tree really hard until you got to the tree and then she would just stare up at the tree. I had another female like that in the 70s that did the same thing.The other thing about Cali is she melted the hearts of anyone who handled her. She would start out in the kennel and within a week she was on the couch. She was a highly intelligent dog and she knew how to get what she wanted. lol

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I am so sorry that you lost Cali at that age 7, I know your pain, as I lost the best corndog I have ever had or seen at age 7. That was 27 years ago and it still bothers me, she was my one in a lifetime dog. Dave

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Question for those that keep numbers and facts. If your dog locates and trees and the GARMIN says that in about a minute it moved a few yards and you heard it but don't want to admit it. You get there and it has a coon. Is that one slick and one coon or just one coon.

Or two coon and it left one up, therefore �missing� a coon. I don�t go by accuracy per tree, that I see with my eyes, as much as I am looking at the overall performance of a hound. I like dogs that don�t beat and bang to make sure they are always right and never wrong but make things happen. Dogs like that may make a few more mistakes but they also tend to tree more coon overall where I hunt. The mistakes get less the more I hunt them and educate them when they make mistakes. I�ve seen dogs like that go from 30% of the time seeing a Coon when going to a tree to over 80% of the time seeing a Coon and still getting it done in a hurry.

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I just figure that the coon timbered over to the next tree and the dog moved with him.

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Dogs use their nose on trees heres why took my dog with a couple of other dogs they trailed it back and forth up ditchs it was windy my dog isnt the best by no means but the other ones locked down beside the road but he wouldnt he was in the middle of the road standing on his back legs inching over to the other side barking and i looked at him and said this dog has gone crazy but he went on down the ditch directly across from where the others were and locked down treed looked from the road and there it sat up at the top of the pine they all winded it but they smelt it where they thought it was but my dog used his nose a little better to pin point exactly where it was

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J parker, I am fortunate to have 3 females littermate sisters that do exactly what you describe, my buddy has the other sister fortunately we kept all 4 females out of that litter, I have one of them at certain times of the year is pretty good on possums the same way. LOL

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