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Using Union pension funds to create Union jobs for Union workers sounds like a good deal to me. Municipalities have to borrow money from somewhere to do much needed infrastucture upgrades. Why shouldn't pensioners like me benefit from the loan profits instead of some Wall Street banker? It makes sence to me.

As for me voting the way the Union tells me, nothing could be farther from the truth. I have never been good at taking orders from anyone, that is the reason I didn't like the military. I do get a lot of Union material on voting to preserve Davis/Bacon and I do want to preserve my brothers and sisters jobs, but I vote for the man.

If you study history, Reagan got in on the Union workers switching parties and voting for him. Romney/Ryan will get absolutely no Union vote because of what Ryan and his buddies have tried to pull off in Wisconsin. I saw on ABC where Unions have signed up 450,000 new voters recently. Who do you think they are going to vote for?

I do expect some investigative jounalists to do some investigations on Bain Capitol's dealings. Maybe PBS investigative jounalists, Romney said he is going to fire them if he gets elected.

None of you investors have stated how much you have made in investing in Bain Capitol? I will stick with saying none of you have made anything. But, some of you might have had investments in Ampad. I would still like to know where Staples gets the paper products it sells. I do know that local workers were forced to train Mexican workers before Ampad went bankrupt. There is something about that that doesn't pass my smell test. I reckon Ampad investors gave it the taste test.

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dave, so in all of romneys business dealings you can only point to ONE company? and u leave alot of detials out tying it all back to romney. and are you saying that we have to worry about romney going in an taking over companies as a president?

i beliebe it was obama who lead to gm being called government motors right? and unlike any claims you have made about romney and his business dealings, you never mention anything being illegal. yet your president obama broke CONTRACT LAW and stole money from average joe when he wiped out alomosy tthe entire value of gm bond holders to preserve union workers and their pensions. for those that dont know, bond holders lend money to a company for every day business activites and get paid a interest rate and get their princiapl when the bonds reach maturity. very similar to a cd. but isntead of fdic insurance they have claims to the companies assets if they default. well obama stepped in an wiped out this legal contract and millions of grandmas an grandpas who were depending on this income from their gm bonds to live off of were told to go pound sand by the obama adminstration. these werent rich folks, like i said alot of these folks were your average americans. this was a first in america business.

whay say you about this dave?

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Using Union pension funds to create Union jobs for Union workers sounds like a good deal to me. Municipalities have to borrow money from somewhere to do much needed infrastucture upgrades. Why shouldn't pensioners like me benefit from the loan profits instead of some Wall Street banker? It makes sence to me.

As for me voting the way the Union tells me, nothing could be farther from the truth. I have never been good at taking orders from anyone, that is the reason I didn't like the military. I do get a lot of Union material on voting to preserve Davis/Bacon and I do want to preserve my brothers and sisters jobs, but I vote for the man.

If you study history, Reagan got in on the Union workers switching parties and voting for him. Romney/Ryan will get absolutely no Union vote because of what Ryan and his buddies have tried to pull off in Wisconsin. I saw on ABC where Unions have signed up 450,000 new voters recently. Who do you think they are going to vote for?

I do expect some investigative jounalists to do some investigations on Bain Capitol's dealings. Maybe PBS investigative jounalists, Romney said he is going to fire them if he gets elected.

None of you investors have stated how much you have made in investing in Bain Capitol? I will stick with saying none of you have made anything. But, some of you might have had investments in Ampad. I would still like to know where Staples gets the paper products it sells. I do know that local workers were forced to train Mexican workers before Ampad went bankrupt. There is something about that that doesn't pass my smell test. I reckon Ampad investors gave it the taste test.

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btt,

still waiting dave on what you have to say about the gm deal

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dave, so in all of romneys business dealings you can only point to ONE company? and u leave alot of detials out tying it all back to romney. and are you saying that we have to worry about romney going in an taking over companies as a president?

i beliebe it was obama who lead to gm being called government motors right? and unlike any claims you have made about romney and his business dealings, you never mention anything being illegal. yet your president obama broke CONTRACT LAW and stole money from average joe when he wiped out alomosy tthe entire value of gm bond holders to preserve union workers and their pensions. for those that dont know, bond holders lend money to a company for every day business activites and get paid a interest rate and get their princiapl when the bonds reach maturity. very similar to a cd. but isntead of fdic insurance they have claims to the companies assets if they default. well obama stepped in an wiped out this legal contract and millions of grandmas an grandpas who were depending on this income from their gm bonds to live off of were told to go pound sand by the obama adminstration. these werent rich folks, like i said alot of these folks were your average americans. this was a first in america business.

whay say you about this dave?

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course again... I had rather see where yall have your money at, and what kinds off returns are yall getting. piss on the politics... Keepn it real yall.

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im glad you guys have money to put back for retirement.im self employed and live week to week if something dont change will be out of business.maybe ill be covered under obama care lol

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Sorry I haven't replied earlier. I have been ill the last couple of days and the medicine I have been taking makes me drowsy. With that said, there has been more than one company that Bain has used the same tactics on. I know there was a pharmicutical company based in Florida, and a steeel company where it happened. What appears to me is that Bain buy controlling stock in a company, charges the company outrageuos managing fees, gets the company to borrow money on their assets again getting outrageous managing fees, and then the company goes belly up with Bain Capitol walking away smelling like a rose. I don't know about the legality of everything but it is for sure morally bankrupt, in my humble opinion. Lots of good hard American workers lost their jobs and pensions.

Majestic, my Union has been doing a good job, I get my pension check every month.

I don't know about Solyndra but I do know about solar and wind energy, my advisor when I went to school was a Doctor in Nuclear Physics and I have studied it since the mid-70s. The main reasons it has not become mainstream is that no one has ever tied it all together. In short, sell an electric car (probably hybrid) along with a solar/wind package to generate the power for the vehicle. Then, you contrast the cost of this package on 100,000 miles against an internal combustion engine and the fuel it would cost to go the same 100,000 miles at today's gas prices (it will go higher, not cheaper). The vehicles we are talking about need to be fleet vehicles like UPS trucks, FedEx, ect. Plus you could add in potential other profits by using excess alternative energy generated for home use or to sell to the grid.

I have read where Bill Clinton is working with WalMart folks to power your local WalMart with wind and solar power. When you see Walmart go to alternative energy, you will see the mainsteam America following close behind.

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Sorry I haven't replied earlier. I have been ill the last couple of days and the medicine I have been taking makes me drowsy. With that said, there has been more than one company that Bain has used the same tactics on. I know there was a pharmicutical company based in Florida, and a steeel company where it happened. What appears to me is that Bain buy controlling stock in a company, charges the company outrageuos managing fees, gets the company to borrow money on their assets again getting outrageous managing fees, and then the company goes belly up with Bain Capitol walking away smelling like a rose. I don't know about the legality of everything but it is for sure morally bankrupt, in my humble opinion. Lots of good hard American workers lost their jobs and pensions.

Majestic, my Union has been doing a good job, I get my pension check every month.

I don't know about Solyndra but I do know about solar and wind energy, my advisor when I went to school was a Doctor in Nuclear Physics and I have studied it since the mid-70s. The main reasons it has not become mainstream is that no one has ever tied it all together. In short, sell an electric car (probably hybrid) along with a solar/wind package to generate the power for the vehicle. Then, you contrast the cost of this package on 100,000 miles against an internal combustion engine and the fuel it would cost to go the same 100,000 miles at today's gas prices (it will go higher, not cheaper). The vehicles we are talking about need to be fleet vehicles like UPS trucks, FedEx, ect. Plus you could add in potential other profits by using excess alternative energy generated for home use or to sell to the grid.

I have read where Bill Clinton is working with WalMart folks to power your local WalMart with wind and solar power. When you see Walmart go to alternative energy, you will see the mainsteam America following close behind.

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btw dave, STILL WAITING ON WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE GM BOND HOLDERS DEAL

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Dave is gonna lay low until another union propaganda newsletter comes out with some talking points.

Reality is the unions lend money, the WORKERS money to their scumbag friends that loose it, and the WORKER flips the bill. Then they wont tell you how the Contractors, they tell us are against us, help fund them, and secret deals because a certain contractor employs a big part of the local. No this is'nt talked about is it Dave.

I just got some Union CRAP about Obama, says He don't want to take away our guns. Gosh I feel better. Man, now I can vote for a Democrat, cause if a democrat is in office everybody works......RIGHT DAVE???

Wrong!!!!! At what cost to the tax payers!!!

I Question whether my pension will be there in 20 years.

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Ole Dave is not feeling well now. I do have some original stuff I would like to share with you on how I would deal with the stock market on a personal level and get the most out of it, but I am going to wait until I feel better.

There are several corporations that Bain Capitol (Romney) looted in the same way Ampad was looted. I am not an investigative jounalist and I am not going to spend time looking them up. Maybe an investgative jounalist from PBS will expose them, they are there to be exposed.

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Over the Last 1/4 between Myself and my Employer Contributions added up to $1,485 ... Just Got my Statement and I'v Lost $747 ...

I thought I had a rather Low Level of Risk !!! LOL

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OK, you guys that think Ole Dave can not come up with an original thought, try this one for size.

If Ole Dave were ever to have anything to do with the stock market, he would play it instead of letting it play him. It is very easy to form a corporation. All you need is a President, a Vice President, a Secretary, and a Treasurer, write up a corporation charter, and pay the fees. Then, you would look for soime venture capitol. Then, you go public selling shares of the corporation.Well, it is not really that easy but it is not difficult either.

Well, I reckon the fly in the ointment is having a good product. Why is Solyndra, and some of the electric cars not selling? Because of the batteries. If Ole Dave is going to start a corporation, he is going to be selling a revolutionary type of battery. Something that would be in great demand from GM to Toyota.

Well, do I have this battery design? Maybe. But I would rather be out coon huntin' instead of being part of the corporate world, so it ain't going to happen. The only thing I liked about McCain in the last election was that he said if he was elected President, he would offer a $300 million dollar reward to someone developing a better battery. If that reward was still offered, I would submit some ideas if my patents and intellectual patents would be guarenteed.

So, in short, Ole Dave would be selling, not buying when it comes to the stock market.

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Really Dave??

you could be a multi-billionaire but you just dont feel like it?


Thats the best you can do?

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Seeing how this is a coon hunter's board, there just may be 1 or 2 guys on this board that might understand that I am passionate about hunting my dogs. In order to be a success on the type of deal I proposed on my previous thread, I would have had to devote my whole life to it. I am at a point in my life to where I can hunt and fish all I want, that is all I ever wanted. And anyway, could you imagion being around Mitt Romney types 24/7?

I still haven't heard from any of you how much money you have made from your Bain Capitol stock. I say nothing because only 1%ers were allowed to profit from Bain's profits. The rest of you could have bought all of the Ampad stock you wanted from Bain. In my opinion, that stock may have been sold knowing all aong Ampad was going to be trashed.

So, when the origional poster wants to know why he can't profit from his 401Ks, he might not be enough of an insider to know which stocks to stay away from.

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I reckon no one wants to debate the politics of the stock market.

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wanted to know where people were putting their money, and how it was performing for em...geeze i could care less about the politics aspect of it...better yet i could care less about your opinion dave...

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Dave, I want to debate the politics of the stock market.

Here are a couple constants ,when investing hard earned money.

1. Know how to read an income statement, balance sheet and cash flow report.

2. Do your due diligence,i.e........research the market you are in, know the in's and outs of the company or companies you are investing in and what value their products or services bring to the table.

If a person does not have the time or drive to acquire valuable information about the Investments they are in, then they have become the RISK, not the INVESTMENT.

So, if you blindly trust a broker, or money manager or financial advisor, I sure don't want to hear any crying about losing your arse, when the only one really responsible for your financial outcome in life is YOU. Not your 401 k, not your roth ira or union or goverment pension.

If something is'nt working for you, then change it.

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I don't have any money in the stock market and never will. I am not interested in the stock market and never will be. I did retire and I am living comfortably. Nuff said.

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