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I understand that the cast at the Winter Classic that were charged with trespassing is still being charged and the court date is this Thursday March21st. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. And we were told this had been resolved, notttttttttttttttttttttttttttt. Dave

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I definitely know one cast member that's going to show up in court to contest his ticket. I hope all cast members show up. It's just a shame that it had to come down to this. What happened to all the "supposed" help from the Club and others? Definitely puts a new spin on hunting these Hunts and taking someone's word that they have permission to hunt where you are being put. Dave

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Not a new spin at all. Been this way since the very first night hunt. Draw your guide, take your chances.

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Unfortunately, you are correct, one is at the mercy of their guide and the integrity of the guide. Anyone hunting out of state or anywhere that they personally don't know the owner of the land and have permission to hunt that land is taking a chance. Unfortunately these bigger hunts require casts to hunt where no one in the cast knows the landowner, they HAVE to rely on the guide. DOES ANYONE think the cast should be held accountable for a guides mistakes? Dave

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Probably no one but the law.

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It's a risk we take every time we turn loose. Either at home or on the road. Personally I'd pay my fine and keep hunting.

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Some states have Hugh fines and consider trespassing a felony, a felony conviction means a loss of your right to own or possess a firearm. WHO would want this to happen because you trusted a guide! We need some serious thoughts put out on this subject. Dave

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Some states have Hugh fines and consider trespassing a felony, a felony conviction means a loss of your right to own or possess a firearm. WHO would want this to happen because you trusted a guide! We need some serious thoughts put out on this subject. Dave

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The biggest confusion I have with it is that at one time UKC posted that things were being resolved and nobody should worry. That doesn’t seem to be the way it is tho.


I do agree with josh, unfortunately it’s a risk in the game and nothing can correct it. I can understand the frustration with all those involved

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On the charges, it appears that blood is much thicker than water in this case. Apparently the father is siding with the son now. It also sounds as if Mississippi is banking on what Josh has eluded to. Just paying the fine and not showing up to court. This whole thing smells of dodo.

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Years ago had a guide put us in this situation. He did what was right and paid all of the fines for the entire cast. Come to find out the land was sold just a few weeks ago and his lease was with the old owner. The new owner didnt care and was pushing for the max in court. The judge sided with the guide because he said from the beginning he was at fault not the cast members. It was the minimum fine 1500 a person, so the guide paid 6000 in fines. Max was 3000 a person and forfeit of license for 10 years. But I realize this is not the norm for a person to take the blame, but it should be. Changed my view on this guy.

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The biggest confusion I have with it is that at one time UKC posted that things were being resolved and nobody should worry. That doesn’t seem to be the way it is tho.


I do agree with josh, unfortunately it’s a risk in the game and nothing can correct it. I can understand the frustration with all those involved

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The "guideing " issue has to be addressed we can't continue to sweep it under the rug .
Guides have to be held accountable , that should be a prerequisite to guideing and it should be understood by a signed guideing slip .
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Guides are volunteers. Start putting requirements on them such as signing a form and see how many volunteer. Guides are hard enough to get where I live already. Here you have to beg someone to guide.

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Who has permission? I got permission for a half acre close to the 1000 I hunt I guess that counts

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The "guideing " issue has to be addressed we can't continue to sweep it under the rug .
Guides have to be held accountable , that should be a prerequisite to guideing and it should be understood by a signed guideing slip .
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I hope all this turns out good, IT is refreshing to know that this cast is ACTUALLY getting SUPPORT. Unfortunately, times have changed, hunting land is decreasing every year and BIGGER HUNTS are becoming a challenge for the hosting clubs to provide enough guides and hunting spots. However, ALL CASTS deserve the right to hunt where they are taken without fear of getting charged with trespassing. We need to take this matter serious, every Club should take steps to insure their guides have written permission to hunt where they will guide. Verbal permission is no good if land is posted, you must have written permission. These BIG HUNTS are held once a year, this should be sufficient time to get the needed permission on ALL land that will be hunted. If you don't have enough land to accommodate all casts, then don't send those casts out. Dave

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I hope all this turns out good, IT is refreshing to know that this cast is ACTUALLY getting SUPPORT. Unfortunately, times have changed, hunting land is decreasing every year and BIGGER HUNTS are becoming a challenge for the hosting clubs to provide enough guides and hunting spots. However, ALL CASTS deserve the right to hunt where they are taken without fear of getting charged with trespassing. We need to take this matter serious, every Club should take steps to insure their guides have written permission to hunt where they will guide. Verbal permission is no good if land is posted, you must have written permission. These BIG HUNTS are held once a year, this should be sufficient time to get the needed permission on ALL land that will be hunted. If you don't have enough land to accommodate all casts, then don't send those casts out. Dave

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As one of the cast members i won't be showing up in court because i am a CPA and there is no way I can miss a day in the middle of tax season to drive 3 hours away just to beat a 200$ ticket. I really hope it all just goes away and the charges are dropped but if it doesn't ill pay the piper. Just really disappointed in the situation all around.

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Hopefully, this situation will be resolved and the charges dismissed. A ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Hopefully, this situation has raised AWARENESS of what can happen. Dave

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I am not quite sure who was at fault in that case. But locally one of the rocket scientist that hunts around here was ran off of a property. Was told for the third time game warden next time. This was on a Friday night, night hunt on Sat he takes a cast back in there. Yep all was given tickets for trespassing. This type of hunter has ruined the night hunts around here, and made it tough on everyone.

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That's exactly why WE ALL need proof of permission to hunt, there are a few bad apples in every barrel. ANYONE who can't provide written permission most likely does not have permission. The Law requires written permission if the land is posted. Dave

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David Pratt of the Winona Coon Club called one of the cast members today and said he had spoken with the Game Warden today and that the Warden was going to request the Court to drop the charges. David and the Guide Ed will be in Court tomorrow to represent the cast and pay any fines, if any. Will post the results tomorrow. I just want to express my Thanks for the Winona Coon Club, David Pratt and the Guide Ed for their efforts in resolving this issue. This kind of support should make us all feel good about our sport. Dave

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I hope it works out.

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Thanks for everyone’s concern
This has been a drawn out deal and I apologize charges were dropped in court this morning.

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