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IMO.... maybe, JMO... How good are they? Thy gets by themselves, but are they good enough to beat 3 others to the tree and be right? Did they tree kitten pop up? Are they hot nosed to where they usually don't miss?
You walk 1,000-2,000 yards the opposite direction to a coon, then back to the others. Used to be you comp hunted the same dog you turned loose during coon season. I hunt year round, Sub zero, snow,.... And at my age, I need a dog that will get theirs and part of yours, no matter the weather conditions. Don't get me wrong, If mine has something going on, stick with it, right or wrong, but if not, cover and possible tree the coon first.
If you enjoy hunting them. So be it. But without any kind of measuring stick, just how good are they?

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I don't want one but like you if I can get a piece of yours and one by myself I have a better chance of winning. I think the big purse hunts are what started it. I like good heads up dog work even if I don't own the dog that's how I have picked what I wanted to breed to through the years.


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In thin coon country and there accurate they will drill your eyes out 8 of 10 times I hunted a few and I likem have one now he will tree out of the box or go to where ever he has too. Some ppl don't likem some do I dont want a me too dog I like hunting by myself alot and dont like them to piggy back another dog but like I said it's all in preference

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If your going to play the game serious you got to have one but it put a lot of us old folks on the bench the other night we had to walk 1 1/4 one way pleasure hunting took us almost an hour each way when we got there it was never mentioned to cut them again lol.


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Some are better than others. They are "good" at what they do. Your question is like asking how good is an Apple compared to an orange.

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Tar buddy I feel.ya it wont be long I wont likem like that either haha

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Tar buddy I feel.ya it wont be long I wont likem like that either haha

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Yeah tar I understand ya.i think coin hunting is changing from.whatbwe grew up from so we will adapt or lose hunts if we comp hunt I can deal with them goin I hate babbling more than anything

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I like a competitive dog. I don't want them operating any different in company then they do alone. If something isconsistently beating them to a tree iI'll get a better one. I don't wanna walk the opposite direction from everybody else just to have first tree. I won't hunt one that needs any help but I won't hunt one that won't work with dogs either. And if I wanted to hunt in that subdivision 1.5 miles down the road I woulda turned loose there lol.

And Tar, I agree, the big money purses are a big reason many people want them that way these days and being allowed to use the Garmin on a cast helps them be able to find those stray missilesin the next zipcode that likely woulda been outaa the pocket and scratched 10 years ago. The game has changed.

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I mostly just pleasure hunt now but about the third trip walking a mile to a dog seeing multiple coons setting up behind it that third time I won't be walking back out with nothing but the collar.



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I got one that's been beat a lot

They don't have to be a mile to be alone.

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I got one that's been beat a lot

They don't have to be a mile to be alone.

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You're right but it seems if they're a mile away in ambush mode there's a lot better chance the coons not gonna be in a den

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In my opinion there is 2 types of independence. Dogs that pay no attention to what the others are doing and then there's the ones that simply run away from anything around them. The 2nd type will ruin a cast. I call these types of casts dog hunting. Usually the cast is either walking to the hiker and walking away from yours or vise versa.

Give me the 1st type and I like my chances. I will win a decent amount and I will shale your hand when you beat me.

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I agree with Hoosier Man 1. Thats what l like to hunt.

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In my opinion there is 2 types of independence. Dogs that pay no attention to what the others are doing and then there's the ones that simply run away from anything around them. The 2nd type will ruin a cast. I call these types of casts dog hunting. Usually the cast is either walking to the hiker and walking away from yours or vise versa.

Give me the 1st type and I like my chances. I will win a decent amount and I will shale your hand when you beat me.

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Trevor, I think you've hit the nail on the head!

I prefer that first type as well. I don't get out much, so my perspective is extremely limited, but that first type of hound doesn't seem to exist in bunches

My biased opinion may have something to do with being old, fat, & having arthritic knees too

Bottom line, no matter the type of hound, if it makes you smile more often than not & brings you enjoyment, you're blessed!

Dan, you make a good point, there is no way to know how good they really are if they are always alone. On the flip side, if that is the style of dog you are after, then you really don't care about how good they are relative to others, just that they are quick about what they do & good about having those groceries when they park.

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When they are always struck for a quarter like mine, they have to be first or alone or you are going to have a hard time winning anything. Preferably alone so the strike never opens back up

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What i hate worse than huntin in a cast where digs are split up is one where they all are on one tree, covering each other as soon as one looks up, most of these cast turns into a calling contest and handlers calling for position versus where their dog actually tree.

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But if you got a coondog he is there treeing way before the others backing him giving you plenty of time to get first tree. I love a dog that after all those others get their babbling out of the way gets struck on a real live raccoon and goes to hitting here and there then most of the time get to were he last barked he ain't there no more directly he comes treed 500 yards ahead of them plus him up about twice in a cast of that the rest are done !!


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I have seen us go from pack dogs to what we have today. I will say that back in the early 80's it was fun to judge a cast. Then the dogs started going different ways and all the rules that were simple became complicated real fast.
Back in the 80's you started to see maybe one dog in a cast start to be the independent one. Usually he was the cast winner as the pack was getting circle trees or talking themselves into slick trees, while the loner had the meat. First example of this that has stuck with me for a long time is the Pee Dee Casey dog from SC. Think it was the NKC world hunt back in the 80's maybe early 90's held down here in Lake City, FL.
My dog and two others packed all night and I was the guide so we hunted where I normally hunted. The pack treed circle and slick all night. Pee Dee Casey I think treed 3 single coon with the meat. He didn't leave the country to do it. He had the brains and ability to do it all around the pack dogs. The most independent dog I ever saw was Adios Eagle but I didn't like his long range style. He was a top hound and 2 time National Champion but down here he just hunted to far. I joked many times he was the only dog that could out hunt the range of my wildlife tracking system.

Hoosier Man1 kind of hit the nail on the head in my opinion and I can give you a prime example of it. I had a young dog out by itself about a week ago. I cut it down a creek and it was working a bad track about 100 yards from me. I deer hound happened to crank up on a hot deer just behind me and I started to sweat thinking my young dog would quit what he was doing and join in the deer race. I eased towards my dog and caught up with him trying to trail around the creek paying no attention to the deer dog. I caught him and when I broke his concentration on what he was doing and thankfully put him on a leash. He heard that deerhound and about pulled me down trying to get to him. Thats the independence I want in a hound. One doing his own thing and concentrating on his own track and with experience he should only get better at it.

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The days of taking multiple dogs to tree a coon are long gone. A single tree should be a single dog. Majority of the time if there are more than one dog on a tree one treed the coon and the others are just me tooing. If hide prices were high would you want to walk to three trees with coons on one tree with three dogs?

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Well last nt mine went 700 yards behind us a treer a coin dead lalonde with a coon behind a house the other dogs went and treed a couple singles also it's all in preference what style dog ya like to hunt

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What people don't realize is most of what they call dead loners run the edges and find a hot pop up ain't no way you can be a mile in ten minutes most of the time you just hear them treed dog can't of hunted that ground in that amount of time. A certain dog I raised and owned and his son had high scores for a lot of their wins I can think of several times the had around 750+ closest dog in the cast had about 200+ and we could almost still see the truck from the last tree. But both could go deep and make things happen if need be !! A superior dog will shine all around a bunch of hitch hikers that blowing deep and getting treed with a babbling first strike is a strategy it is just to work the clock in a cast win to advance senerio!!


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Who says a loner has to be treed at a mile? More times than not it becomes a handler competition on who is the best at pitching their dog or who can call the fastest. Just because you get to old or out of shape doesn't mean the game should change to fit your health. When athletes can keep up they retire and become commentators. This is a prime opportunity for people that love the sport of to become master of hounds or cooks. Most of the problems that occur on a cast are due to people worrying about what someone else is leading when theirs is not that solid.

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Do away with the leash lock rule, still score dogs in order, see how many go back to hunting one that will tree em close.Deep and lonely will burn up the hunt time but if your treed back in they have to score your tree. What guy's don't realize is at a bigger hunt your guide has carried dog's to the same spot early and late for a few night's in a row. Your gonna need a hunting dog to find his own new hunting territory sometimes.

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