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Other then Finley River Chief, what Monroe stud had the greatest influence? You do not have permission to vote on this poll.
Monroe's Finley River Joe	41	24.26%
Finley River Spot	29	17.16%
Beaver Lake Lighting	39	23.08%
Kentucky River Chief	12	7.10%
Blue River Bill	1	0.59%
Finley River Chief Jr.	9	5.33%
Finley River Zoom	9	5.33%
Lone Pine Dewey	14	8.28%
Finley River Pete	11	6.51%
Hi Way 13 Ruff	4	2.37%
Total:	169 votes	100%

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R.lee prater
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I have always felt that Mear's Finley River Dan was the best reproducing son of old Chief.

I got my first f r dog in 1974 she was close to Dan and B B Buck . I liked her so much i have 2 dogs with dan in their 4th gen. and 2 with Chief in their 4th gen. in my kennel. They dont come any better than Mr. John J Monroe.!!!

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FINLEY RIVER NITE HAWK SEMEN

Robert Starke
Dual Gr. Ch. Finley River Nite Hawk semen
Gr. Ch. Finley River Zig 1st place win
Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Wild Bill's Lill 21.05% reproduction record
Dual Gr. Ch. Wild Bill's Queen UKC RQE 112 winner 725+ UKC World Hunt qualifier '06
Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch.TrackMan's Stone Cold HTX UKC World Hunt qualifier '09,'11
Dual Ch. PKC Ch.Track Man's Mad Dash PKC SS qualifier '07 UKC World Hunt qualifier '08
Gr. Ch. Track Man's Cadillac Jane 2006 PKC Walker Days BOSF 2006 UKC RQE 74 CH winner 2006 Trackman Invitational Queen of Show
Gr. Ch. Starke's Finley River Jane 2006 UKC RQE 74 GR CH winner
Starke's Finley River Ramblin' Jane
Gr.Ch. Starke's Table Rock Jewell 2010 MCHF State Hunt Queen of Show 2010 Alan Reinkemeyer Memorial Queen of Show 2011 Gr Ch Louisiana State Championship
Gr Ch Table Rock Reverend Mundo Hawk 2010 MCHF State Hunt Best Male of Show 2011 MCHF Spring Classic King of Show 2011 UKC RQE 88 GR CH winner

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Robert, How much of the Dual Grand Champion Finley River Nite Hawk Semen do you have?

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Robert Starke
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Nite Hawk semen

Hi,

None. Forgot it was still on my profile. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Wife had open heart surgery and complications. She has been getting all my attention except for some quick posts.

I do have Gr. Ch. ( 1st place win) Finley River Zig. He goes back to Nt. Ch. Finley River Chief over 90 times, Gr. Nt. Ch. Finley River Dan 30 times, Dual Gr. Ch. Finley River Dan 3 over 21 times, 1995 SWTWA Hall of Fame female Gr. Ch. Finley River Trap 4 times, and Dual Gr. Ch. PKC Ch. Finley Zoom twice, being a grandson on the topside of his pedigree and a greatgrandson on the bottom side. Trap is Zoom's mother. I raised her as a pup and sold her to Tom Wilbers. He owned Trap until she died. He is heavy Finley River bred.

I will breed Zig's neice to him next year. Those pups will have Chief in their pedigree over 300 times. Come for a hunt. He is not retired.

Good Hunting,
Robert

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Gr Ch Starke's Finley River Trap 2015 6th Annual Alan Reinkemeyer Memorial Hunt and Show Ch female Overall female and Opposite Sex winner

Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Wild Bill's Lill 21.05% reproduction record
Starke's Finley River Little Lill
Dual Gr. Ch. Wild Bill's Queen UKC RQE 112 winner 725+ 2006 UKC World Hunt qualifier
Starke's Finley River Ramblin Rattler 2
Starke's Finley River Ramblin Sadie
Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch.TrackMan's Stone Cold HTX 2009 UKC World Hunt qualifier 2009 UKC World Hunt Zone 5 Hunt 14th place 2011 UKC World Hunt qualifier
Dual Ch. PKC Ch.Track Man's Mad Dash 2007 PKC SS qualifier 2008 UKC World Hunt qualifier 2011 Ringtail Lodge Coon Club High Scoring Dog of the Year 2011 Ringtail Lodge Coon Club Final Hunt winner 2012 MCHF Youth State Championship 2nd place 2012 Ringtail Lodge Coon Club High Scoring Dog of the Year
Gr. Ch. Finley River Cadillac Jane 2006 PKC Walker Days BOSF 2006 UKC RQE 74 Ch winner 2006 Trackman Invitational Queen of Show 2007 MCHF State Hunt Ch. female winner
Starke's Finley River Ramblin Cozi
Gr Nt Ch Starke's Finley River Super Man HTX 2017 Mid Mo Coonhunters Hunt Series Champion 2018 MCHF Dick Gray Memorial Hunt High Scoring Dog and King of the Hunt 2018 Mid-Mo Coonhunters Hunt Series Champion 2018 MCHF State Final Hunt the only double cast winner Final Four 3rd place winner 2019 BBCHA Sectional Madison, MO Gr Nt Ch/ Nt Ch Cast winner and High Scoring dog 2019 BBOA Richard Casey Tribute Hunt High Scoring Dog 750+ Thursday night and 825+ Friday night 2019 MCHF State Final Hunt Final Four 2nd place winner 2020 UKC World Hunt Qualifier at Marshall, MO March 21st

Dual Gr Ch Wild Bill's April 2016 UKC RQE 97 Ch winner

Gr. Ch. Starke's Finley River Jane 2006 UKC RQE 74 Gr Ch winner
Gr. Ch. Starke's Finley River Sugar 2012 MCHF Dick Gray Summer Classic Ch of Ch winner
Starke's Finley River Jake
Hoghill's Finley River Rip
Hoghill's Finley River Candie

Starke's Finley River Stubbie
Starke's Finley River Ramblin Tuff
Starke's Finley River Ramblin Steel
Starke's Finley River Ramblin Fame

Starke's Finley River Ramblin Jane
Gr Ch Starke's Finley River Ramblin Iron Man
Starke's Finley River Ramblin Bat Man

Starke's Finley River Ramblin Tanna
Starke's Finley River Ramblin Lightning
Starke"s Finley River Ramblin John Henry
Starke's Finley River Ramblin Dan
Starke's Finley River Ramblin Sister
Starke's Finley River Diamond
Starke's Finley River General Robert E Lee

Starke's Finley River Stormy
Clark's Finley River Spot PKC cast / money winner
Starke's Finley River Ramblin Sage

Starke's Finley River Ramblin Paige

Starke's Finley River Ramblin Lou HTX passed times 1 Littermate of
PKC Gold Ch Gr Nt Ch Snitch, mother of Batman

Gr Ch. Starke's Finley River Ramblin Emma HTX
Starke's Finley River Ramblin Sugar Boy
Starke's Finley River Ramblin Randi
Starke's Finley River Ramblin Little Emma

Gr.Ch. Starke's Table Rock Jewell 2007 RQE 5 BOSF winner 2007 MCHF State Hunt BOSF winner 2009 RQE 28 Best of Show female winner 2009 MCHF State Hunt Ch of Ch Female winner 2010 MCHF State Hunt Gr Ch winner and Queen of Show 2010 Alan Reinkemeyer Memorial Queen of Show 2011 Gr Ch Louisiana State Championship 2012 NE Missouri Black & Tan Sectional Gr. Ch. female 2012 MCHF Spring Classic Gr Ch female 2012 UKC RQE 87 Gr Ch winner 2012 NE Missouri Treeing Walker Sectional Gr Ch winner 2012 MCHF Dick Gray Summer Classic Gr. Ch. winner 2012 Lee Crawford Invitational qualifier 2012 Purina Nationals qualifier 2012 UKC Current Top 10 2012 MCHF Missouri State Show Dog of the Year

Gr Ch Little Walnut Queen Bathsheba 2011 SWTWA BFOS and Queen of Show 2011 MCHA State Hunt BFOS 2011 Oklahoma Federation State Hunt and Show BFOS 2012 MCHF State Hunt Ch Female and Queen of Show 2012 Oklahoma Federation State Hunt and Show Ch. Female 2012 Purina Nationals qualifier 2013 TWB&F Walker Days Gr. Ch. female and Queen of Show 2013 Kentucky State Championship Gr. Ch. female and Opposite Sex winner 2013 Purina Nationals qualifier 2013 ACHA World Hunt and Show BFOS 2014 Purina Nationals qualifier 2014 Lee Crawford Invitaional qualifier
Gr Ch Little Walnut Zipporah

Gr Ch A & B Preacher 2012 Saluda Days King of Show 2013 MCHF State Hunt Ch. winner and King of Show 2013 MO Governor's Cup State Hunt Ch. winner and King of Show 2014 RQE #11 Gr. Ch. winner 2014 Purina Nationals qualifier 2014 SWTWA Gr. Ch. winner 2014 Lee Crawford Invitational qualifier 2014 Kansas State Championship Gr. Ch. winner both days 2014 UKC's Top 10 List 2014 Purina's Bench Show Top Ten List 2014 MCHF Summer Classic Gr. Ch. winner both days 2014 MCHF Summer Classic King of Show 2014 MCHF State Hunt and Show GR. Ch. Winner Friday 2014 MCHF Missouri State Show Dog of the Year 2015 Purina Nationals qualifier 2015 Kansas State Championship Friday Gr Ch winner 2016 Purina Nationals qualifier

Gr Ch Table Rock Reverend Mundo Hawk 2010 MCHF State Hunt Best Male of Show 2011 MCHF Spring Classic Gr. Ch. male and King of Show 2011 UKC RQE 88 Gr Ch male 2012 UKC RQE 87 Gr Ch male 2012 NE Missouri Treeing Walker Sectional Gr. Ch. male and King Of Show 2012 MCHF Dick Gray Summer Classic Gr. Ch. male 2012 Lee Crawford Invitational qualifier

"Fast is Good. Accuracy is Everything." Wyatt Earp

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quote:
Originally posted by Carl Fox
How much Clover could a dog showing Finley River Zoom in their pedigree twice have?

Most people think the clover dogs started with Hardwood Bozo but after reading about all the things on this post seems it goes farther back in the Finley River breeding.

I'll try to go into the pedigrees when I have a little more time to dive into them.

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I know John and have for years .I've sold him a couple of different females through the yrs. .One was a daughter of Dewy and the other was a daughter of Molly and Logans Wild Quick . Both were coondogs and John was a true man of his word on both . John is still hunting and getting around he has the dog now named Smackdown and loves him to death . John also won the world hunt a few years ago and almost won it again last yr with Smackdown . He has stayed at my house and is a true gentleman and a legend in our sport . Always a man of his word and always a true coonhound man who imo has given his life to this sport and the betterment of the walker breed ...Bob Bush

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R.lee prater
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Re: Nite Hawk semen

quote:
Originally posted by Robert Starke
Hi,

None. Forgot it was still on my profile. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Wife had open heart surgery and complications. She has been getting all my attention except for some quick posts.

Good Hunting,
Dont want anyone to say bait and switch.lol Robert

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Credit check

While credit is correctly given for promotion of Finley River dogs to John Monroe and Lonnie Mears, it is important to know that Mr. Herb Carsten deserves a lot of (if not all) of the credit for the start of Finley River dogs IMO. He is the one who hunted the Finley River in SW Missouri and stuck that name on the dogs. He is the man who owned Chief when he produced the litter Claxton's Finley River Spot (the dog John won the world hunt with) came from.....and Ailshie Ozark Dan--the sire of GrNt Carsten Finley River Buck. He made the cross of Ozark Dan and NtCh Finley River Bell to produce Buck and Chief to Bell to get FR Pete. Bell was single registered. She was a NtCh when not many were and she was a reproducer. I know John and Lonnie and they are both fine fellows and have done a lot to carry on/improve what they started with. I never met Mr. Carsten and he may the best or worst guy on the planet, but I do know a little about the history of this line of dogs and it is a shame to not mention a major contibutor and perhaps the man solely responsible for the name "Finley River".

GES

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I voted Lightning. John J. Monroe knows dogs and when he bought Lightning it was for his ability. That dude produced some track dogs! The first female I ever owned was a grand daughter of Lightning and Mears FR Dan. In 35 years I have never hunted with a track dog as good as she was. Not even close. I have hunted with about every combination of Dan bred dogs there are, but believe Lightning added something special when it came to running a track.

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My favorite was an '80s model I called Do-Dog. Pleasure hunted only. He was FR Chief X FR Bell = FR Spike; Spike X Duvalls Lone Pine Lady = Wolfes Tree Picking Bill; Do-Dogs Sire.

The Bottom side went back to Merchant's Bawling Barney X Balls Candy = Balls Hickory Nut Harry; Harry was crossed on McGills Lone Pine Jill who was out of FR Pete X Duvalls Lone Pine Lady. Harry X M Lone Pine Jill = Pr Caw Caw Creek Jill ( Pleasure hunted) the Dam of Do-Dog. As good a well rounded dog as I ever had. He left our dogs behind on track from the time he was 6 months old on. He didn't tree a lick till he was 16 months old but was a tree dog after that. I really didn't expect a dog to tree much before 1 1/2 or 2 years old back then. He ate some 4 o'clock flower seed that were growng through the kennel fence and it killed him. Five years old, maybe six. Then I stumbled into a line that was treeing at six months old and got excited and fooled with them for years till I finally figured out they were just about noaccont.

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Herb Carsten

Hi,

Agree with GES. Herb faded to the background. Thanks for the reminder. Most great dogs usually end up with more than one man involved with them. As with most statements, there is always some exceptions.

Good Hunting,
Robert

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Herb Carsten

I knew Herb well, he passed away a few years ago, his Son Jerry still lives over at Branson but stopped hunting years ago. I hunted with Jerry many times and he used to talk about being a small boy when Herb bought Chief as a pup and how he held him in a shoe box on the trip back from Iowa. Good people.

Tom

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HERB CARSTEN

For sure Herb Carsten was responsible for the name of the strain called Finley River. It could of easily have been the Corn Belt strain since that was Chief's name when Herb brought him home.

I had relatives that lived in Springfield. Herb had an Auto Glass place. I remember driving past it a number of times. No intention on trying to slight Herb Carsten in any way. I appreciated the time he spent with this young kid sharing information about hounds when I was visiting Springfield.

But I still have to stick with my belief of John Monroe deserving the title of Mr. Finley River for his promotion of the Finley River Strain. This is my opinion and with it and 4 quarters you can buy a USA Today.

Herb sold Finley River Chief. Actually I believe 2 times. He sold him then got him back before he sold him to John Guilford. Herb advertised Chief at stud some, then Mr. Guilford ran an ad on Chief.

Howard Claxton advertised Finley River Spot some before John Monroe ever bought him. Chief was 8 years old plus when John bought him. It was after John Monroe bought Spot and Chief and promoted them that the Finley River Strain really made a place on the map.

Again still my opinion and you will still need 4 quarters to buy a USA Today.

Here is an ad by Herb Carsten BEFORE Finley River Chief.

Here is an ad on Finley River Buck. It is after Herb sold him but the picture is the picture Herb used on his first ad on Carsten's Finley River Buck.

GRAND NITE CHAMPION CARSTEN'S FINLEY RIVER BUCK

NITE CHAMPION FINLEY RIVER BELL

The mother of Grand Nite Ch. Carsten's Finley River Buck and Grand Nite Ch. Finley River Pete and Grand Nite Ch. Finley River Spike.

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Finley River

I agree with you 100% that John Monroe should get the credit for the Finley River breed, had he not bought Spot and won the world hunt, then bought old Chief the Finley River strain would have probably stayed around Springfield, Missouri.

A lot of younger hunters probably don't know what happened to Finley River Spot. He was treed and John was walking to him when a farmer shot him. Can you imagine what that would do to you even for a potlicker much less a World Champion that could have made you a ton of money.

Tom

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Alot of history here. I think it is great to read and learn. thank you

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Zig and Zoom

Hi,

Will have pics of Zig and Zoom on Zig's thread in a few days along with Trap's mother and father. I raised them from pups and bred them to produce Trap, Zoom's mother and Radar, which, several of Roger Prater's dogs go back to.

Good Hunting,
Robert

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quote:
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Alot of history here. I think it is great to read and learn. thank you

If Spot had not got killed at an early age who's to say what would came out of him.??

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don....got anything on Red Oak Lightning?

saw him in the recent bloodline in Bulllit mans pedigree.
wasnt he a son of spring creek rock?

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Re: don....got anything on Red Oak Lightning?

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saw him in the recent bloodline in Bulllit mans pedigree.
wasnt he a son of spring creek rock?

Here you go Rick.

CHAMPION NITE CHAMPION RED OAK LIGHTING

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The one that had the most influence is not listed on the poll, Finley River Dan.

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quote:
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The one that had the most influence is not listed on the poll, Finley River Dan.

This poll was on dogs that John Monroe owned. He didn't own Dan.

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thanks don I knew you would come thru

did you ever hunt with anything out of Lightning or with him?
what was the scuttle butt on him?
I guess he was a full brother to dohoneys ringo or was he a littermate?

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Finley River Dan had the most influence on that breed. Dan wasn't even competition hunted until he was six years old. Don't think he ever lost a cast until after he made Grand. Pete was in some good dogs as well as Beaver Lake Magic. The rest I'm sure we're good dogs but didn't have the influence that Dan had on that line

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Re: thanks don I knew you would come thru

quote:
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did you ever hunt with anything out of Lightning or with him?
what was the scuttle butt on him?
I guess he was a full brother to dohoneys ringo or was he a littermate?

Rick, I never hunted with him. I don't know if he was a littermate to Ringo or not. I am thinking he may be a younger brother but don't know.

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quote:
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Finley River Dan had the most influence on that breed. Dan wasn't even competition hunted until he was six years old. Don't think he ever lost a cast until after he made Grand. Pete was in some good dogs as well as Beaver Lake Magic. The rest I'm sure we're good dogs but didn't have the influence that Dan had on that line

If we are talking about the same Finley River Dan, Mears' Finley River Dan was 4 years old when he placed 6th in the 1970 World Hunt. The same year Finisher won it.

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I had 2 out of lightning and they have been my measuring stick all along!!!! Nice horn mouths go as far as they had to real cold noses and when they parked you didn't wonder if you were going to see the coon that was a given!!!!!!! Sure would like to have some lightning close back in my kennel!!!!!

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