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I'm curious to know if owners of legitimate Grand nt females be expected to pay the same as open registered females when hunting a stud dog.
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Unless I'm mistaken the stud fee is set by the owner of the stud. Doesn't matter wether your female is grade or has every title under the sun. Owner of the stud holds the reins in that department and also chooses wether or not to require a negative brucellosis test before the breeding occurs.

The flip side of the coin is that the owner of the dam determines the price of the pups assuming all goes as planned and she has a litter. Regardless of what the stud fee was.

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Why would it be any cheaper for "legitimate" Gr Nt females? Do the owners of "legitimate" Gr Nt females charge less for their pups?

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Why would it be any cheaper for "legitimate" Gr Nt females? Do the owners of "legitimate" Gr Nt females charge less for their pups?

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The best you can do is talk it over with the stud dog owners. I had a top reproducing female that started getting attention and a couple stud dog owners that wouldn't even take me hunting with their dog before suddenly decided to offer me a free breeding. Over the right female the stud can get a lot of attention plus the fact that if they are a performance sire the stud owner can recoup some $ in performance sire fees. Talk it over with them. Whatcha got to lose?

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Oh my goodness, "money in their pocket"? Try buying a stud dog or raising, feeding, training one and then paying to Performance and Super Stake nominate them.
If you give the stud owner a pup then you have paid a $300-$500 stud fee.

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Originally posted by Nathan Phenix
In my limited experience raising pups I have been able to breed my female to a dual grand and pkc state race winner/ breed race winner for only a pup for stud fee. Only breeding I every paid for I give $500 for live litter guaranteed
and it's been 3 years of getting jerked around and ignored.

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......someone once told me that when he was choosing what stud to breed his good female to it was as much about the owner of the stud as it was the stud. Think on that awhile and see if you agree there's some legit truth there.

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Anyone standing a dog at stud is gonna earn whatever fee he charges and had better have a lot of patience. Dealing with the public will drive you into going postal with the no shows after you stayed home to wait for them, bringing females that aren't ready and expecting you to perform miracles and them wanting you to keep and board them until mission accomplished.

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I've bred grand nite all grand females to many different sires and I have never paid less than the advertised stud fee on any of them. Now the frozen semen and all the costs/risks/no rebreed associated with the frozen semen is grounds for negotiation.

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I will never ever own anouther stud dog as Long as I live. I hunt females only the only reason I got ole goofy Gus out here is because there was only two pups and both were males.


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Anyone standing a dog at stud is gonna earn whatever fee he charges and had better have a lot of patience. Dealing with the public will drive you into going postal with the no shows after you stayed home to wait for them, bringing females that aren't ready and expecting you to perform miracles and them wanting you to keep and board them until mission accomplished.

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If your not willing to pay the cost of the stud fee for a pup out of your own female she probably shouldn't be bred.

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I think stud fees are way under priced.
Been there done that.
Guys calling all hours of the night,
Getting stuck with gyps that are due “any” day
Meet me here meet me there
Stuck with females until the pups are born
Lol
If they miss it’s always the studs fault
Dogs fighting barking all night
Biting me as well
It’s not worth the headache
I always give guys some a break for quality gyps and also for quality owners
But that’s just my two cents

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I think those that haven't done it have a misconception that there is no little effort on the part of stud dog owners. Some seem to think you just throw them in a pen together, done deal collect your $ and that is it. On call 7-365, many don't know what part of cycle their female is in, you house many for days, duct tape, short chained, vaseline and still sometimes multiple people needed to get the job done, the risk of injury or illness to the male. Over weight females and those that throw an ever living fit, paperwork and registration not in order and DNA not previously done. Having someone there to meet with those who have traveled or taking time off work yourself. Keeping a stud paid up in everything and staying on top of all the paperwork on that end. It isn't all fun and roses like some may think. Some of us do it because we have confidence in what our dog is throwing and to keep ourselves and others who are looking for the same thing in pups, a bettering of the breed if you will. If ours didn't produce dogs we like and hunt I can assure you the headache wouldn't be worth it you have to have a love of this sport.
Todays world is not like the old days of a penned up stud where people flock to breed because of some pretty ad, they go to who is winning and producing those winners.
Ours have never had any ads ran and rarely a stud fee charged most all are by some private treaty with the dams owner.

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Thank you for all the feedback..
I guess my self personally I've been on both sides..
I ve always made more money working for the man.. than with hounds..
But it is a sport that is definitely getting harder to get tips from time to time back..With out sounding like a nostalgic has been ..I personally remembering selling coons for 35 bucks not even skinned..Probably 100. in today's money..
Stud dog adds often had a grand nite fee of 50 .00 or free 150 .00 for nitech..etc.
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If folks had a female to win the UKC world hunt this year per say ..I'd venture most stud owners would almost pay the owner of the dam for such a chance to improve his studs bloodline..
(On paper if nothing else)
So it's not a matter of a guy cant afford 300.00 for stud fee he shouldn't breed..( Its sometimes a tangibly measured principle knocking off a few bucks..)
Promoting the bloodline should be heavily considered as well..
Whereas , What better way to appreciate an owner of a dual grand that drove several hundred miles took off work , You want him to go to the local vet get a neg Brucellosis test ..
( Btw wheres your negative test? My bitch has never even been bred..)

Years ago I left my female with a guy and he never even bred the dog to the grand nite as he was sterile)

Henceforth the owner of female is out several hundred dollars before he even pays you..
...Stud owners may say , " I have a lot of money tied up in him,
I need to try and recoup some back..
I'd submit , so does the the owner of titled out female..

So yes I simply cannot wrap my head around charging your neighbor 350..to non titled proven female..
The same as the guy that is actually doing you a bigger favor by bringing his titled female to you..


Just my opinion ..no offence intentionally taken I hope..

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Originally posted by deanbluedogs
.......the guy that is actually doing you a bigger favor by bringing his titled female to you.......
Just my opinion ..no offence intentionally taken I hope..

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I guess it all depends on your perspective or which side of the fence you are on. If you are the dam owner, you are doing the stud owner a favor. If you are the stud owner, you are doing the dam owner a favor. I guess that I have been on both sides of that fence so I understand both perspectives. I have even done myself a favor by breeding my stud to my female and I didn't charge myself.

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Ole X gets excited when I tell him she’s a grnt ch

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Ole X gets excited when I tell him she’s a grnt ch

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Reminds me of the old days back in these mountains, when we bred coondog to coondog regardless of breed or color. Judging from the crossbreds today that have turned out pretty nice, that was a pretty good way to breed dogs. Lol. Dave

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Maf got most excited the time a guy brought up a black & tan.

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Smart walker dog, he knows a good female when he sees one. 😂

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.....he disappeared from the house while running loose at just a few months old.

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Oh my goodness, that is what I tell my wife and grandkids also.

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Richard surely he wouldn't do that lol!

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