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Kler Kry
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Dave Richards

I agree with your analysis, gamey desire without intelligence and the dogs desire to please the handler will require training using negative discipline and fear. I wasted a lot of my life training gamey dogs with natural ability that were too dumb to make outstanding hounds.
Desire, intelligence and the desire to please their owner are genetic and inherited. Life is too short to keep breeding and training hounds that have the personality of a house cat. That my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Ken Risley

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Kler Kry
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Dave Richards

I agree with your analysis, gamey desire without intelligence and the dogs desire to please the handler will require training using negative discipline and fear. I wasted a lot of my life training gamey dogs with natural ability that were too dumb to make outstanding hounds.
Desire, intelligence and the desire to please their owner are genetic and inherited. Life is too short to keep breeding and training hounds that have the personality of a house cat. That my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Ken Risley

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Vic Stoll
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Iíve got a question!

Is it possible that a dog can have extra giddy up and not be trashy?

Say it ainít so

Carry on ......

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Where I hunt off game heavily out numbers desired game, so most pups and young dogs with any drive/desire are going to get after something when cut loose. Yes it can be aggravating but with a little hunting, training, and exposure to desired game, the smart ones usually catch on pretty quick. Like someone mentioned before you can take things out of a dog, but it's pretty hard to put things in.

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Re: Tar

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That was good advice then and still is today. You can not put something in a dog, but you sure can take things out of a dog. I have yet to see any trainer teach a dog to track, hunt or tree, they may think they did. You can stop about anything a dog does, but you can not put what's not there in any dog. If one could do these things, he could be rich in no time at all. Dave


AMEN to that...

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It's a matter of personal preference I guess. I don't put them on deer but when they are young most dogs that try to push a track when deer are in rut will run one I can and will stop them anytime I want. Now I like a running dog that will tree I like a dog that is such a superior track dog that there is no way dogs can mee too on them and that are so dominant that over the course of the hunt pieces start falling off the other dogs because they know they are being dominated. Down here without an exceptional track dog you go to a lot of empty trees I am to old and cranky to do that.



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This is where me and my buddies are with young dogs. We don't get carried away when they're under 12-14 months. But when they are coming up on 18 months, the corrections get handed out pretty regularly for trashing for about a month. Then its just a once in awhile type of deal when they do trash. We're hunting 2 young dogs, 1 is 13 months, the other is 15-16 months. The younger 1 is a wild Indian compared to the other. He moves around good, trees coons every night you take him. But he will bump trash if he gets bored and can't find a coon to tree after a while. The older gyp is a nice dog, but doesn't have a wow factor to her her. She's not real flashy in any department. But she's a nice little dog for her age. The younger one will be pretty nice in 6 months. He's going to have a wow factor. He's the type that will beat your eyes shut but you'll enjoy watching him. He trees 3 times the amount of coon and anything else that climbs than the older gyp. He moves at 10-14 in timber. She moves at 7-9. She's no slouch, but just doesn't have any type of wow factors to her.

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Ron Moore
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From the sound of many responses on here it sounds like a trashy dog is a good thing. I can assure everyone that the coon hound of today is MUCH more trash free than 30-40 years ago. Someone has done their homework in breeding this type of hound, and I for one appreciate it. What this tells me is coon hounds can be directed, through quality breeding, to do away with unwanted traits and enhance the good traits, ie... hunting, trailing & treeing in a fast paced fashion. I broke dogs back when there was no advanced methods like we have today. It sure leaves a bad taste in your mouth when you waste night after night chasing your hound through the woods and in most cases, not catching them and hoping they will show up on your jacket the next morning or show up on some honest persons porch who would look at the name tag and call you. The name tag on the collar was the single most important thing with owning a coon hound. I would do this many nights in a row just hoping my hound might tree a coon. How many would do this in todays coon hunting world and still stick with it without our new breaking methods? I do have all the new gadgets now and appreciate every one of them but I am very reluctant in using the E on young hounds because they can set one back and the name of the game is to keep going forward, IMO. I totally understand and respect everyone's response on this thread but I do believe there are quality hounds out there that we can move forward with that are more trash free. This honest opinion and $5 might just get you a cup of coffee. Sorry so lengthy, I slept well last night, LOL. Have a great day.

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