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I was reading the history of the Santa Gertudis cattle, it said 100% of them go back to 1 single bull named Monkey. So to get a pure bred to manipulate the looks and characteristics of any animal it has a very small gene pool. And I guarantee the people that say they don't line breed if they get a long enough pedigree they will find they actually do. Just think how many Walker dogs have Lipper and Sackett in them several times over and over. And the treeing Walker is a relatively new breed compared to other breeds of dogs just think of how line bred the Saluki hound is which has been bred for 1000s of years.

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I dont believe in inbreeding but...Yall ever know of an accidental inbreeding that turned out to be good??
Just curious

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Reezen himself was inbred as they come

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Google Superior Pointers

Then click on Rambling Thoughts

Then click Wehle on Breeding 1991

Enjoy and it does work for Foxhounds and Coonhounds, the secret is you have to have “good” stock😉😉

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I think your post was spot on, accurate and to the point. Dave

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The huge majority of crosses that I've seen that didn't turn out well were outcrosses. Does that mean we shouldn't outcross?

To me, outcrossing, linebreeding, or inbreeding isn't of primary relevance. To me, the primary thing would be to determine what natural traits and characteristics that you want in a dog. If you find what you're looking for there, I wouldn't concern myself with whether they are inbred, linebred, or outcrossed.

The best article I ever read on the topic of inbreeding/linebreeding was written by Dr. Braxton Sawyer (written in non-technical terms). If you can find that, I believe you'd find it very informative. I read it in the American Cooner many years ago, and I still remember it!

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by honalieh
[B]The huge majority of crosses that I've seen that didn't turn out well were outcrosses. X10

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I SAID IN THE BEGINNING I DIDNT BELIEVE IN THE PRACTICE OF INBREEDING.. WELL....

THESE POSTS HAVE MADE ME LOOK AT IT IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT WAY. USING IT SELECTIVELY AND AT THE RIGHT TIME. COULD BE THE TICKET TO SUCCESS..


I HAVE LEARNED QUITE A BIT JUST FROM THIS POST ..

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Originally posted by FLYbyNIGHT
I SAID IN THE BEGINNING I DIDNT BELIEVE IN THE PRACTICE OF INBREEDING.. WELL....

THESE POSTS HAVE MADE ME LOOK AT IT IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT WAY. USING IT SELECTIVELY AND AT THE RIGHT TIME. COULD BE THE TICKET TO SUCCESS..


I HAVE LEARNED QUITE A BIT JUST FROM THIS POST ..

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GOOD STUFF REUBEN


MAKES GOOD SENSE

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Originally posted by Rick St.Clair
Now there's a false statement.

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When in your mind you have created the perfect coondog that's when you breed real tight. A old fox hunter told me one time when you get what you want only a 1 eighth out cross at a time. If course it's alot easier to build a perfect running dog than a tree dog. If you could get 10 coonhunters get behind and support 1 particularly bloodline then you could find out how a bloodline would really produce but that will never happen.

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Originally posted by Clovis A Nailor
When in your mind you have created the perfect coondog that's when you breed real tight. A old fox hunter told me one time when you get what you want only a 1 eighth out cross at a time. If course it's alot easier to build a perfect running dog than a tree dog. If you could get 10 coonhunters get behind and support 1 particularly bloodline then you could find out how a bloodline would really produce but that will never happen.

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Running dogs don't drift a track like a tree dog. Especially a coyote hound he just needs to run at a high rate of speed and hold his game some times a smart hound will try to out guess his game to tighten up that could be called drifting a track but running dog people don't call it that we call it cutting. Some times it can work well but if the hounds misses he's in trouble he has went from 1st to last. Now it's the hounds job to shut his mouth and get back on the lead I don't want to hear him till he's back on front and I don't care how he does it as long as he does it. Garmin don't really help you with running dogs except getting one back. I look at my garmin every minute or 2 coon hunting it never comes out the truck till I'm catching dogs foxhunting.

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What ever kind of dog you have or live stock or what ever animal your raising breeding works the same. Your breeding for the traits you desire. That's why inbreeding is critical after you have the desired traits to keep what you want. I use the example of running hounds simply because I would raise 4 to 5 litters a year and keep the majority of them to see what I had going on. With coondogs this would be impossible. With the sheer volume I can manipulate traits in short order. But always remember my perfect dog is not your perfect dog

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Thanks...

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Have read and re-read that several times ---good stuff and he points out that one must be willing to cull the inferior stuff quick..
I know of one line of hounds in the past that produced a number of dogs that bloated eventually he sold the line because they good ones bloated,,, well they were highly inbred that does point out the need to know what recessive traits hidden in the line.and select away from that.. the 1/4-1/8 outcrosses can bring in some of the desired traits but the point made above by needing others to help comes into play..

next thought is how many have the resources to carry out a plan like that?

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This post was started about a accident in the breeding pen all this long winded Bullchit means nothing Hubs homer was a product of an accidental breeding and he reproduced some .please someone thinkof some others there has to be more .These post show how much we don't know

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This post was started about a accident in the breeding pen all this long winded Bullchit means nothing Hubs homer was a product of an accidental breeding and he reproduced some .please someone thinkof some others there has to be more .These post show how much we don't know

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I hunt treeing walkers I owned high country boogie, house's rage, stylish echo he won 15000.00 and 2 state Texas championships in Texas I know all about the all grand stuff, but this post was asking about accidental breeding's .I would like to know if anymore inbreed accidental breeding's ever amounted to anything . We all have opinions about breeding that's for another post

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I wouldn't Carry a feed bucket to most of those all grand stuff and they were breed on purpose .

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Always regretted afterwards.



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Gr Nt Haye's Rambling Red Ace was an outstanding coonhound and the top reproducer for many years. He was the product of an accidental breeding between a littermate brother/sister. He can be found way back in the pedigree of 40% of the Redbones today.

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Do health issues always occur for inbeedings or is it hit and miss..


You always hear those stories of pups with kidney..liver...bone problems ..

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You always hear stories but does anyone really know?
It only makes sense that if sire and dam have an inherited health problem it will be magnified in their offspring. That is true for any inherited traits and that is why you linebreed/inbreed. But if they don't have health problems that are inherited, they can't pass them on.

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