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tyler.owens2
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Starting young dog solo

I have a year old English female that I’m having some issues with. 1st is that she is dead silent in the woods. I mean she hasn’t barked 1 time in the woods if I was to cut her loose on a caged coon, drag, or hot track no matter how far the “track” is she will run it to a tree and will Mosey around the tree for a few minute and then she will come back to me or she will run the track numerous times always finishing at the same spot but never ending treed. 2nd isue is she doesn’t like to leave me 75% of the time and I’ve spent many a nights sitting on a log and just waiting on her to leave on her own but she will just keep coming back and checking on me after running out 25-30 yards. Any suggestions?

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One thing you CAN NOT train—

is drive, want too or some call heart.

I would cut your losses.

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Also she hasn’t had her first cycle and still has a lot of puppy in her if you know what I mean. Should I give her more time or find something else. Also I don’t have anyone around that i know would be willing to cut loose with a pup trainer or I would.

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I’ve been in this situation many times and was hopeful the light would come on. It didn’t work out for me. I would be moving on to my next project.

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Young Dog

Alot of questions here that need answers.

Most people don't give a dog a fair chance and give up way to soon.
She is young, sounds to me she doesn't know much and definitely not about treeing.
On a turned loose coon most dogs won't open on track.
Give her some time, don't rush her....she will let you know when she is ready.
Early morning walks in the woods and her just getting use to everything will help her alot.

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Re: Young Dog

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Alot of questions here that need answers.

Most people don't give a dog a fair chance and give up way to soon.
She is young, sounds to me she doesn't know much and definitely not about treeing.
On a turned loose coon most dogs won't open on track.
Give her some time, don't rush her....she will let you know when she is ready.
Early morning walks in the woods and her just getting use to everything will help her alot.

Tim


I had her on a 80 foot runner and there’s a sawtooth oak inside her area and I drug a caged coon around her pen and then put it up in that tree and when I put her back on it she smelled it and whined at the coon in the tree but she wouldn’t tree at it until I walked back in the house then she treed and went crazy on it until I came back out and once she seen me she stopped again and just stared at me. Idk imma keep messing with her but it may not work out.

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I had her on a 80 foot runner and there’s a sawtooth oak inside her area and I drug a caged coon around her pen and then put it up in that tree and when I put her back on it she smelled it and whined at the coon in the tree but she wouldn’t tree at it until I walked back in the house then she treed and went crazy on it until I came back out and once she seen me she stopped again and just stared at me. Idk imma keep messing with her but it may not work out.




While you were in the house, she was focused on the Coon.....when you distracted her by coming back out she was more focused on you.

Time & Patience is what she will need.

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Re: Re: Young Dog

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I had her on a 80 foot runner and there’s a sawtooth oak inside her area and I drug a caged coon around her pen and then put it up in that tree and when I put her back on it she smelled it and whined at the coon in the tree but she wouldn’t tree at it until I walked back in the house then she treed and went crazy on it until I came back out and once she seen me she stopped again and just stared at me. Idk imma keep messing with her but it may not work out.


Sometimes without realizing it we are training the pup to do something we don’t want them to do…the dog is getting mixed signals and is confused and the handler becomes frustrated trying to figure out the problem…

A dog training professional gave this example…

There is thunder and lightning and the dog is frightened and trembling and goes to the master and he pets and comforts the dog…the master is thinking he is doing the right thing by comforting the dog…the dog is thinking that he should be frightened because the master approves…

So the dog owner is wondering why his dog gets so frightened during thunderstorms and just can’t figure out how to stop the behavior…

The trainer was saying that we should learn and understand how a dog thinks so that they can become better trainers…

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Re: Re: Young Dog

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I had her on a 80 foot runner and there’s a sawtooth oak inside her area and I drug a caged coon around her pen and then put it up in that tree and when I put her back on it she smelled it and whined at the coon in the tree but she wouldn’t tree at it until I walked back in the house then she treed and went crazy on it until I came back out and once she seen me she stopped again and just stared at me. Idk imma keep messing with her but it may not work out.


Here's what I would do if she belonged to me, and I'm no dog trainer just a fellar that likes to coon hunt. The way I see it right now you have a couple options. Option #1: if you like her, send her to someone else to hunt for a month or two. Give yourself a break and give her a chance to get in the woods 5-7 days a week. Make sure whoever you send her to is reputable and is going to hunt her. Option #2: start over with a new prospect. I've had to learn the hard way they don't all make it, and there are a lot of young dogs to choose from.

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Most of the time pups will not leave you. best if no one or nothing is there to hang around if you get what I'm saying. that's why you hear most guys leaving they're pups loose on farms to run whatever they want then once they start running, they put them up and concentrate on coon. if you don't have access to a place like that a breaking pen would be my next bet. Get them running something deer, rabbit something. The pup needs to learn to use its nose. Also pups need hot tracks if there is nothing around in the woods your taking her, she probably isn't going to get in there and take off and find anything. put her on game. HOT TRACKS!!! Plenty of game and hot tracks.

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