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Request Delay of Cast clock to remain ON HOLD until handler has GPS system in hand.
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Allen / UKC
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Delay of Cast Question

During the hunt the dogs get scattered out and you have dogs trailing out of hearing in opposite directions. The majority of the cast votes to call time out and gather up the dogs. The cast agrees that their meeting place will be at the truck, which is several hundred yards from where the cast was in the woods when time out was called.

One handler asks to hold off starting the one-hour "delay of cast" clock until he has his tracking system in-hand, which is in his truck at the road (300 yards away).

You're the judge.

A. Request granted.
B. Request denied.
C. Majority of the Cast Decision.

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I am always wrong on these but. I think you gave it away with your last sentence that stated. "when timeout was called" Timeout is called you have one hour, no matter what is agreed upon afterwards. Someone might have thought about this before time out was called and the group might have figured out how to get back to the trucks with time running and then call timeout.

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Timeout is timeout.

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To me, no one is delaying anything until everyone is at the truck and ready to move to another spot, then and only then is there a "delay" in the planned activities of the cast. Permission granted.

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Most people will agree to start the hour once they get to the truck...

Not sure its right... But that's what's gonna happen most of the time.

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Re: Delay of Cast Question

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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
......the cast was in the woods when time out was called. ........


For me the answer to the question is answered in the question.

The time started when time out was called... Request denied.

That's my opinion, but I could be wrong (again).

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Re: Re: Delay of Cast Question

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For me the answer to the question is answered in the question.

The time started when time out was called... Request denied.

That's my opinion, but I could be wrong (again).



Dave, you and the rest of the 81% are correct.

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Correct Answer:

Rule 6 (f) states dog will be scratched {For delaying completion of cast for one hour after time out has been called during the hunt in accordance with Rule 7.}

Rule 7 gives several situations where time out may be called. After time out has been called; Rule 6(f) kicks in.

The key word in 6(f) is: one hour "AFTER" time out has been called. This rule comes with no provisions or exceptions for a cast vote or otherwise. The rule takes care of all that.

So, the clock starts immediately after time out has been called, no matter what. In other words, the cast will continue on with the hunt no more than one hour later. And anyone not back in the boat to continue on with the hunt by that time, is done for the day.

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quote:
Originally posted by Allen / UKC
Correct Answer:

Rule 6 (f) states dog will be scratched {For delaying completion of cast for one hour after time out has been called during the hunt in accordance with Rule 7.}

Rule 7 gives several situations where time out may be called. After time out has been called; Rule 6(f) kicks in.

The key word in 6(f) is: one hour "AFTER" time out has been called. This rule comes with no provisions or exceptions for a cast vote or otherwise. The rule takes care of all that.

So, the clock starts immediately after time out has been called, no matter what. In other words, the cast will continue on with the hunt no more than one hour later. And anyone not back in the boat to continue on with the hunt by that time, is done for the day.


So this isn't really a delay of cast rule at all, it is a dog under control rule? I mean no one was delayed a second from their planned completion of the cast until they reached the truck, assuming the plan was to move to another spot. I was in a situation once where we caught 3 dogs, called time and started the hour on the 4th dog (mine) immedietly, When I fired up the garmin I saw she was behind the trucks, which were a long way from us. We were way back in hilly cut over timber and made a big loop to avoid tree tops back to the trucks. It took us 30-40 minutes to get back to the trucks, so at that point I only had 20-30 minutes to catch her, even though she really hadn't delayed anybody any time before we got to the trucks. Fortunately I did get her caught and back in time, but lets play what if-what if, when time is called and the hour started, the cast gets in a total mess or gets lost going back to the trucks and it takes them over an hour to get to the trucks, upon arrival they find the missing dog sitting on the tailgate. He is then scratched for not being under control for an hour? He sure didn't delay the completion of the cast!

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