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The performance program would be a good start. Youth hunters, PKC hunters & pleasure hunters are the target consumer. When the program began it sparked a lot of interest & could do so again. They didn't stay on top of it and it has became stagnant. A $300 point is more enticing than a $100 one. I do not have the all answers, but hundreds of people receiving 2-3x what they currently are at the local level is better than a few receiving thousands at the national level..

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Sounds great on paper but where would that money come from? Currently you pretty much win double your entry fee. You don't think that is enough? You are suggesting that if you win first place registered at a hunt with ten entries, you should win $300. That would be pretty good for a $20 entry fee. But If you majored in Finance, you know that isn't possible. You are asking for something that you know is unobtainable.

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Easily obtainable actually. $25,000 just appeared out of nowhere. By streamlining the program, allowing additional participants, and slight increases across the board $200+ isnt out of reach. I think some of the program fees have remained the same since it's inception..

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Easily obtainable actually. $25,000 just appeared out of nowhere. By streamlining the program, allowing additional participants, and slight increases across the board $200+ isnt out of reach. I think some of the program fees have remained the same since it's inception..

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Easily obtainable actually. $25,000 just appeared out of nowhere. By streamlining the program, allowing additional participants, and slight increases across the board $200+ isnt out of reach. I think some of the program fees have remained the same since it's inception..

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See, Jen actually has good ideas on how to improve the program instead of just talking about it.

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And one more thing that many probably won't agree with me on but here goes anyway... I want to commend UKC for choosing to give the extra entry fee money back out to the hunters for an added purse at the World.
I have been asking some how long has the RQE entry been at $30. All say as long as they can remember. So even though with inflation over decade/s cost increase was never passed down to hunters. I do believe that over time cost should have been raised gradually so that plaques, hat pins ect could have continued but most these days would just assume have the $.

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[B]You don't get it. The $25,000 did not appear out of no where it comes from the pockets of those who will enter in a RQE and the zone. /B]

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And you are a finance major. With the number of winners in the Performance Program, they would have to make a substantial increase in fees to make a slight increase in point value. And increasing fees would decrease participation. I don't believe that Mr Gingerich has a degree in finance but either he sure does know a lot about money or somebody up there does. I wonder if it is one of the new owners.

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And you are a finance major. With the number of winners in the Performance Program, they would have to make a substantial increase in fees to make a slight increase in point value. And increasing fees would decrease participation. I don't believe that Mr Gingerich has a degree in finance but either he sure does know a lot about money or somebody up there does. I wonder if it is one of the new owners.

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Actually as it is now when a dog wins a hunt there's a better chance he's not paid into the program. No substantial fee increases are needed to significantly increase point value.
Allow 12-18 mo. old pups at $150 each
Allow a stud 1 breeding without entering program $200
Increase yearly stud enrollment fee $25-50(way overdue)
Increase pup enrollment fee $10
Not sending out checks less than $50 will put $10,000-20,000 in the fund before the year even begins..
There's $100,000 or so to start with at very little additional cost to anyone..

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I was thinking in UKC you could pay up a sire for $100

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I was thinking in UKC you could pay up a sire for $100

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I see what you're saying in SS some guys quit paying $700 for the year and paid the reduced rate of $200 for 1 litter. In UKC guys are currently paying $100 for a year, do you think guys will quit doing that to pay an increased rate of $200 for 1 litter?

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Yes, why pay a $300 stud fee to a performance stud when you can pay UKC $200 an have a Performance liter. You just saved $100 and the program will fail because the dog you bred to is not advertised as a performance stud and will likely only produce one performance liter.

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Actually as it is now when a dog wins a hunt there's a better chance he's not paid into the program. No substantial fee increases are needed to significantly increase point value.
Allow 12-18 mo. old pups at $150 each
Allow a stud 1 breeding without entering program $200
Increase yearly stud enrollment fee $25-50(way overdue)
Increase pup enrollment fee $10
Not sending out checks less than $50 will put $10,000-20,000 in the fund before the year even begins..
There's $100,000 or so to start with at very little additional cost to anyone..

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Mr Atchison, all of that sounds great on paper. You need to call Mr Gingerich and discuss your ideas with him. I am sure that he is open to helpful suggestions. After all Tarbaby calls him and he listens. Since the fund only has $180,000 now, another $100,000 would make a big difference.

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Oh no, I've seen hundreds of post on format & rule changes and ideas and how to improve attendance for years even multiple polls with majority wanting changes and very little has happened. If they can't read their own website or look at their attendance numbers over the last decade they don't want to hear from 1 man..

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Then why does Tarbaby keep calling them? Apparently they listen to him when he has a suggestion about the hunts. But of course they don't pay a bit of attention when he starts rambling on about bench shows.

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Richard your gonna run out of bait if your not carful

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Then why does Tarbaby keep calling them? Apparently they listen to him when he has a suggestion about the hunts. But of course they don't pay a bit of attention when he starts rambling on about bench shows.

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