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I dont think nose makes much difference, just about any dog of any breed has enough nose to track a coon. They are stinky little critters and they travel close to the ground.

Where the difference comes in is whatever connects the nose to the brain and the desire to get the job done. I believe a dog that you would consider a hot nosed dog in one area might be a coldnosed dg in a diferent area. The dog im hunting now is the perfect example, most would consider her a hot nosed dog because she never screws with an old track and when she opens she is usually treed withi 10 minutes, she covers alot of ground and has figured out what works in my area with alot of coon. BUT i have also seen this same dog wind a layup off the lead 300 yards across a cornfield and drift into that tree and lockup so is she cold nosed or hot nosed?

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How efficiently a hound gets their tracks to the correct tree is far more important to me than trying to determine if the dog has a so called “cold nose” or “hot nose”. I love a dog that will RUN a track hot or cold, but I can’t and won’t tolerate a ground pounder.

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You mean them "cold" nosed dogs Jerry

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........ when she opens she is usually treed withi 10 minutes, she covers alot of ground and has figured out what works in my area with alot of coon. BUT i have also seen this same dog wind a layup off the lead 300 yards across a cornfield and drift into that tree and lockup so is she cold nosed or hot nosed?

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I don't believe in old bad tracks and I can't tolerate dogs that try to "run"////"trail" these bad tracks.

If a dog doesn't have enough sense not start something it can't handle I can't waste my time hunting it.

A good 20 minute race is okay every now and then but if it happens once a night I will be owning something else.

John, youre dog sounds like a dog for me lol

It's not that said "hot" nosed dogs can't run those old bad tracks, many of them just have got the sense to go on!

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but I can’t and won’t tolerate a ground pounder.

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This statement about a cold-nosed dog treeing coon in the winter time (and a hot-nosed dog can't) makes me believe about 90% of the coonhunters out there don't know the difference between the two. LOL

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Bob,

I have felt my dog's noses in January and they are usually cold.

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Yeah I always like mine to have cold-to-the-touch noses too.

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Iwant a dog to take a track he can tree in one to two minutes.- want him to open on every track he crosses on his way to the hot one. I don't care how far he has to go. I have a truck and tracker. Probably won't be near as far as my deer dogs anyway.

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Bob,

I have felt my dog's noses in January and they are usually cold.

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A dog gets 99% of his information about coon from his nose ... you can't have too much nose .

The right combination of nose , brains and drive never comes across as being " cold " or " hot" .... you just have this consistant coon treeing dog that doesn't take a back seat to anyone.

All things being equal .. the best nose wins .

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I dont think its alot of differance in the nose as to how its trained. What i call a bucket dog dont like cold tracks and will look for a hotter track as a dog that dont see bucket coons will most of the time take the firt one hot or cold it comes across.

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IT TAKES ALL 3. BRAINS. DESIRE. NOSE. GOD BLESS YALL ALL.

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Takes the whole package,but cold nose without a doubt, when you get one you will understand they will produce and tree game in circles around good hounds

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First... Years back while hunting I saw a baby bird on the ground full of fire ants...I looked directly up and saw the nest about 10 feet off the ground and about 15 to 18 ft if measuring from tree trunk to location of nest...the fire ants had somehow found the nest and were all over another baby bird in the nest...that is pretty amazing locating abilities...

I believe a dogs nose can be pretty cold but it depends on the brain...the dog can smell the coon but the communications between nose and brain will or won’t trigger a response...and that is genetics at work...

I like a cold nosed dog that likes hot to medium tracks...on a hot track I want that dog running the track pretty fast with his head up looking for the game as he’s running the track...

I do not want a hot nosed dog if I can help it...they seem to exert more energy working some tracks...

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I think some people are confused between "nose" and tracking ability.

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I think you are right, I have seen cold nosed dogs run to catch a cold track and hot nosed dogs beat s track to death. Nose alone does NOT make a good track dog, it takes BRAINS as well. Dave

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Had a black and tan male that my Father went up and bought from Tam Young. Dogs name was Willie and I will probably never hunt with one as good as him. Cold nosed and could drift a track. He would be struck and have coons treed before other good or average hounds knew what was happening. He would seem to pull coons out of thin air. Brains and a cold nose- not a cold nose that beats around all night but a cold nose that runs a cold track to catch- and accurate!!!! I would give anything to have another like him!!!!

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Now that's the kind of cold nosed dog that makes believers out of folks who have not witnessed one with that kind of ability. I love a cold nosed track dog that can run a cold track like a hot track and have the coons when they park. Dave

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Having a good nose is part of tracking ability...it is genetics...quick track locating ability has to do with brain, desire and good nose which are all genetics...and probably many other minor details included...

The ability to locate the tree quickly has to do with brains and nose which are a part of genetics, again probably other traits involved as well...While some dogs are working the track a dog with a good nose with the right brain inclination can make it look easy...cut, slash and drift and find the hot end of the tracks ahead of the other dogs...I don’t believe this dog could perform like this without a good nose...

When we say tracking ability...it probably can mean different things to different dog folks...

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Dave Richards that dog I was talking about above sure does make it hard on you when they are gone. I dont know that I will ever have another like him. Coon are thin here in the mountains of western NC and he made it look easy every night. I feel like I was super lucky to experience him but he has also made me hard to please I guess because I know just how good a dog can be. He was a once in a lifetime hound im afraid.

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I know the feeling, I have been blessed to have owned 3 dogs in my lifetime that showed me what a coon dog was supposed to be. Dogs like that are few and far between and definitely spoil a man. Dave

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BALANCE....We all want a dog that can tree a coon in a lot of different conditions. I am 51 and I have owned two that I could say were balanced hounds. First one was a Flag bred male in the eighties and the last one which died last week was a track man female...They both did not screw with anything they could not move and just had the ability to tree coons every night....any time of the year....Hard to find a balanced hound these days...

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One issue with some dogs (a lot of dogs) do not have the woods time to fully develop into a COON DOG. Some folks get a pup out of old GR NT So & SO x GR NT SO & SO and think they should be a coon treeing machines. They are 1 or 2 years old and they hunt them once a week during kill season only and wonder why they are not a coon dog like their sire and dam. Do not get me wrong i do not think this is always the case but it happens more then some wants to believe. They have the breeding and ability but does not get a true chance. They get out in the woods and opens on a track they cannot handle due to experience and the next thing you know he is a"cold nose idiot." A good experience Coon dog knows where to find coons.
BUT i do agree that some dogs do not have the brains or desire to figure it out no matter how much time they spend in the woods.
If a dog is not given this chance it is hard to make a call on what he is. I will cull one in a heart beat once I have given him the chance.
I have seen some start early and peak at 2 years old and I seen some start slow and be the best dog at 2.5 years old.

In conclusion i believe it is about brains, desire, drive and experience more so then hot or cold nose.

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Had a black and tan male that my Father went up and bought from Tam Young. Dogs name was Willie and I will probably never hunt with one as good as him. Cold nosed and could drift a track. He would be struck and have coons treed before other good or average hounds knew what was happening. He would seem to pull coons out of thin air. Brains and a cold nose- not a cold nose that beats around all night but a cold nose that runs a cold track to catch- and accurate!!!! I would give anything to have another like him!!!!

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