Registered: Sep 2009
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While returning from Walker Days I had plenty of thought provoking drive time and it occurred to me that I needed your expert input on the topic of 'global warming'.
I observed that the flavor of the month type of coon dog is the deep and alone model. There is a lot of opinions about what is causing global warming and it occurred to me that the coon hunters desire for this type of coon dog that needlessly
travels long distances to tree a coon is destroying ozone by producing excessive carbon dioxide from hunters, the dogs and the truck exhaust from having to burn extra fuel to retrieve the treed dog. Not to mention the calories burnt by the dog having to tree a long time. Deep and alone dogs are increasing their carbon footprint.
What is your opinion and how can we coon hunters be more responsible and save the planet ?
Thanks in advance.

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Dogs that don't pay attention to other dogs, hystle, and tree coons are doing what a coondog is suppose to do. That often results in them being deep and alone. Just get you one that trees 5 on the way to them. Everyone will start breeding to it and it will change coonhound history forever. I'm not saying some of those dogs are not passing up coons but I had a cast complain about mine one night. We scored 7 trees there's made in one hour and not one eyeball was seen. When there idiots shut up I finally treed mine in there at 1.6. She had the evidence. Everyone complained all the way to her. I can walk 3 miles easily in a hour. We never stoped walking scoring trees for the first hour. Mine walked us 1.6 and showed us a coon. There's walked us 3 miles plus and showed us nothing. Which dogs wasted more air.

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What do you do when you got a little wind at your back?

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i could walk 3 miles in an hour maybe in the area i have to hunt. the hill are bad enough and if ya walk 3 miles the first hour i can nearly guarantee the next hour and 3 miles later wont be very enjoyable.

i like a dog that hunts hard and fast and gets the job done alone if needed type dog. sometimes i wonder if we are heading the right direction with the deep and alone stuff. think about it who wants to walk further than they have to. how many guides have 6 miles {yes 6 miles cause a true cast of deep and alone and there is no way your calling time out} of hunting permission let alone road free hunting.

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I'm almost 75 years old and I can walk three miles, but sure don't want to if I don't have to. And I don't have to, to see coons.

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In my opinion they bring on trouble !! Where I live our area host several big events an each year we lose territory to hunt, some of it is lost by ticked off land owners with a dog treed in there back yard 2 miles away from where you turned loose! Don't get me wrong it's nice when you win with it but I can't understand why tree one through the country when you pass up several to get by yourself

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I'm with Ken the dogs of today have been ruined. They are breeding the ability out of dogs to the get deep and lonly. Four one most of them are bushwack dogs and I would say 90% are shocked beat and kicked to do that. If they had to complete against dogs on coon tracks bet there not much of a coondog there. Secondly it is easy to beat them when they tree a mile from you just call time out on them for being on posted ground. In our country no way you can have permission to cover how far they are going. I like one to split tree to but being stupid is another thing.

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230 yards from the truck tonight . 50 yards would have suited me just fine . lol

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Have the majority of coonhunters become lazy or are the old guys just tired of walking? I hunt deer with dogs here where I live too and the hot convo is let’s breed more speed and drive into our hounds., but coonhunters complain their dogs hunt out to far. Very interesting to me. My cooner better hunt as far as it takes or as short as it takes.

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Where I live and hunt, if a dog won't go a big hunting you won't strike many coons.

What aggravates me is when you cut them loose and it's the Kentucky Derby.

A dog ought to leave your leash looking for a coon.

A lot of the dogs I hunt with,and even mine at times, do a lot of just running until they knock the edge off, before they really start hunting.

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Dogs that don't pay attention to other dogs, hystle, and tree coons are doing what a coondog is suppose to do..........

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Who decided that? I thought that a coondog was supposed to hunt with the dogs you turned it loose with. That is the way a real coondog was for 50 years. When did these people decide that a coondog was supposed to hunt by itself and leave where you turned it loose to try and get away from the other dogs? And why?

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Deep and lonely lol, I love it. Storm treed aden last night 300 yards away, a coon about 400, another coon around 300, then sat treed a mile deep with another den.

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Dog that thinks for itself will normally make less mistakes in a cast of dogs, I don't want mine to be an idiot just because I drew 3 idiots. jmo

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Is an animal such as a dog capable of rational thought? Or do they just follow their natural instict and/or training?

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Who decided that? I thought that a coondog was supposed to hunt with the dogs you turned it loose with. That is the way a real coondog was for 50 years. When did these people decide that a coondog was supposed to hunt by itself and leave where you turned it loose to try and get away from the other dogs? And why?

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Here is the question: Are they trying to get away or are they not paying attention?......

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Does that question have an answer? One man's "trying to get away" is another man's "not paying attention". It is kinda like the question, "is the glass half full or half empty"?

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Mr. Kry,

If there are cows around those deep and lonely dogs the carbon foot print is even greater. As those dogs are racing across pasture lands they scare extra methane from the cows.

Ssssh ... we need to keep this on the down low. Or we will never know when the EPA may want to start regulating coon hunting.

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I am sure there are places where a dog has to be deep and alone or GO DEEP to tree a coon. I get that. Here in Indiana where I live...isn't one of them. I prefer CLOSE AND ALONE! Last night my dog made 4 trees with a coon in each one of them...singles. The first she cold tracked and got treed 500 yards away. The other 3 were ALL less than 100 yards away.

In my area, deep and alone starts creating issues for you and your dog. Mainly posted property and crossing roads.

What is the attitude of the handler of Deep and Alone when he sees 2-3 coons on the way to D & A...or walking a mile to a nice empty tree? I know what mine would be!

Just sayin.......

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I am sure glad that Trump pulled out of the Paris Peace Accord. I heard that President Macord of France came over here to discuss putting some new regulations on coonhunters.

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Is an animal such as a dog capable of rational thought? Or do they just follow their natural instict and/or training?

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Aren't they just mimicing your actions?
Does your dog think to himself, hmmm, I think that I will tree a possum and see what my owner does.

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Mine climbs the wire to get out his pen im pretty sure he thought that up on his own cuz my big behind hasnt climb no fence and i dont have any other one to show him

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There U go asking rational questions about a subjects that just make me say HUMMMMM. Do people honestly believe that a dog can think for himself, have rational thoughts. if so it may be impossible to EVER train it to do something it thought was to hard to accomplish.
To my friend joey's comment I would say if that dog never watch U open the gate he would never be able tho THINK the situation out. A DOG BEING ABLE TO MAKE RATIONAL DECISIONS TO ME OS A SCARY THOUGHT.
BUT what do i know I just THOUGHT this reply up.

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Lot of good answers and comments here.

First of all and something that I think we miss is.
Anything a dog does can be a FAULT. Even the things we want them to do, if they consistently take it to an extreme. I want mine to hunt deep if necessary. But I don't want it doing it in a straight line and going by coon to just get away. That is a fault to me.

Thats what we overlook when we get hashing out hard hunting or deep hunting dogs. Most want one to hunt and have the drive to keep hunting. But, just like the dog that trees to many slick trees. We can breed the dog that hunts to far. Many reasons for this and they are faults. Perhaps that dog doesn't have the ability to smell or excitement level to run the tracks it is going by.

I just hate it when people see a deep hunting dog that gets deep if it NEEDS to and compares it to a deep hunting dog that does it because it is a FAULT in his breeding. There is a difference.

Three drops off trees in the same area a couple nights ago. One coon within 100 yards, second coon probably 100 yards from that but the dog probably traveled 400 or 500 yards on the track. But from that tree and the dog had to hunt a little further to find one. Made a couple semi circles, crossed a couple dirt roads and came treed perhaps 3/4 miles away. If he hadn't found the last coon he might have been 1.5 miles away but the Garmin showed he was looking in the right spots for a coon so I can't fault him it he had to go some distance to get the job done.

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