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Lol. That little story was not meant towards you in anyway, it's for all those folks thinking that the best feed ( cost wise) and all of the other perks, dog box, etc. Makes them a better hunter or better dog, it does not. I have fed Purina for many years at times to a real coon dog, mostly to a average coon dog and all my dogs have done and looked good eating Purina feed. Dave


I didn't take it that way at all and I agree completely. Back when I was a teenager and hunting all night, every night, I remember entering a hunt one nut when it was still in the high 80's at dark and super humid. We turned the dogs loose and they went and made a tree. When we got to the tree the only dog that was treeing hard was my female, stretched up on the tree rolling out about 140 barks a minute. The other dogs were just doing their best to keep from getting overheated and rolling off the hillside. We got them off the tree and stopped at some water and those other three dogs rolled in the water and drank and drank and drank. My female barely even drank as she wasn't hot because she was in super shape and used to the heat. I'm sure back then that we were feeding some corn mix feed from the local co-op. Dogs seem a lot more sensitive to feed now than what I remembered them being years ago.

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Re: Dog feed

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This is only my thought on high end dog feeds verses low end or those in between. If a guys hound doesn’t win a hunt , he can always blame it on there dog feed!
Lots of guy want to have the best tracking system , best dog box and feed the most expensive dog feed!
That goes with deer hunting or bass fishing .
This think what the coon hunters fed there dogs 40 years ago?

I can tell you what we fed 40 years ago whatever we could get local and afford plus any scraps that came of the table and I do mean any, to me the big difference in dog health is the meds we can now purchase wormer, flea meds, heart worm products, antibiotics that were not so readily available back then,and I'm not sold on some of this super duper dog feed,I am sold on better worming practices.....

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I got 55 gal drums of broken bag food from the rail yard. That was 50 years ago and 55 gal cost less than a bag does today.

Let me say this. I think there are some unknowns about the feed we give our dogs. Maybe some better facts will come out in 10 or 15 years. The explosion of Thyroid problems, just isn't because a Wipeout dog was bred.

How about the deceased dogs from Kill Centers being sold to dog food companies. Which is suppose to be illegal.

Phenobarbital is showing up in dog food. How and why.

Phenobarbital is used to as the drug for Euthanasia.

Phenobarbital and glucocorticoids can cause a "sick euthyroid" pattern of low thyroid hormone levels without an increase in TSH. The mechanism by which phenobarbital exerts its effect are not clear but may include a central component.

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My granddaddy fox hunted every morning until daylight came in fixed 2 big pones of corn bread put bacon grease on it dogs stayed fat and slick

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I got 55 gal drums of broken bag food from the rail yard. That was 50 years ago and 55 gal cost less than a bag does today.

Let me say this. I think there are some unknowns about the feed we give our dogs. Maybe some better facts will come out in 10 or 15 years. The explosion of Thyroid problems, just isn't because a Wipeout dog was bred.

How about the deceased dogs from Kill Centers being sold to dog food companies. Which is suppose to be illegal.

Phenobarbital is showing up in dog food. How and why.

Phenobarbital is used to as the drug for Euthanasia.

Phenobarbital and glucocorticoids can cause a "sick euthyroid" pattern of low thyroid hormone levels without an increase in TSH. The mechanism by which phenobarbital exerts its effect are not clear but may include a central component.



Do you really think this is happening,? I own a slaughter house and have worked it for 26 years. I've delt with rendering companies and inspectors this whole time. I would never guess dog food companies would be buying euthanized dogs to mix into there feed. Not even any horse slaughter houses in the us anymore. Dog food and such gets inspected like the food that you eat. Not sure where these dog kill centers are but I'd bet they don't head into dog food. I'm not trying to argue or be disrespectful at all, just stating facts

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Rendering companies that supply dog food companies won't even except any parts from a beef that's over 30 months old let alone a load of euthanized dogs

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Spend some time searching on the internet. I have talked several vets the past couple years that also think there is a link. I will say. I dont really know. But something is going on. Dog foods have been tested positive for phenobarbital. That is a seperate subject on the internet. Where is it coming from. This goes back over 20 years. Phenobarbital has some affect on the thyroid. Phenobarbital is used to humanely kill animals. All those things are seperate subjects. Put them together along with the increase of thyroid dogs. Then you have a possible problem. Like I said. I dont really know. Something is wrong and if isnt all genetics.

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All sorts of things you can find and read on here. I would like to think that stuff like this isn't going on. Not sure how it would, but?

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Read this
http://ottawavalleydogwhisperer.ca/...ood-ingredient/




I was feeding a well known dog food all of a sudden they were out of it slobbering acting drugged. I took them off that feed and they got ok. I asked the sales rep because they have their own renderer. If it was true they were buying euthanized pets from major cities for cheap protein he denied it then gave me a free bag. That’s why I feed purina.


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purina dog chow 57 pound bag on sale through feb. 23 for 18.98 a bag at sam's club time to stock up.

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t me say this. I think there are some unknowns about the feed we give our dogs. Maybe some better facts will come out in 10 or 15 years. The explosion of Thyroid problems, just isn't because a Wipeout dog was bred.

I don’t know if thyroid and some of the other diseases are any more prevelant now than in years past or not. I think technology has advanced more people are having test ran that 15-20 years ago were very expensive and had to be done at a specialty clinic. 25 years ago how many people have a dog that just quit operations,like normal. You may have take. It to the vet had normal test,dome and dog had a clean bill of health. I would bet thyroid,lyres,heartworms etc played a role in some that just blew up.

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Does Sam's carry beef dog chow in any of its stores? It can be ordered on Sam's .com but my wife drives by one twice a day just easier to stop and buy it. I have switched to Purina one because the Sam's we shop at only carries chicken formula and I didn't like how my dogs were looking on it.

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Does Sam's carry beef dog chow in any of its stores? It can be ordered on Sam's .com but my wife drives by one twice a day just easier to stop and buy it. I have switched to Purina one because the Sam's we shop at only carries chicken formula and I didn't like how my dogs were looking on it.



Put a little corn oil on it everyday when it’s cold you will see a difference.


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Put a little corn oil on it everyday when it’s cold you will see a difference.


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Absolutely! Works wonders. You can also buy cans of canned mackerel and mix in a 1/2 can each feeding for very little cost.

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Purina Dog Chow Hi Pro

Ordered 3 bags and received today, reminds me of the old Purina Hi Pro, dogs seem to love this feed, I am excited and hope it turns out as goid as the old Purina Hi Pro feed was, it's 29.99 for 50 pounds at Chewy.com. Dave

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yes i have bought beef flavor purina at sams but i don't see it there every time i go. i think there is a 12 bag limit when on sale i get the limit and store it in a six foot chest freezer .

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Re: Purina Dog Chow Hi Pro

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Ordered 3 bags and received today, reminds me of the old Purina Hi Pro, dogs seem to love this feed, I am excited and hope it turns out as goid as the old Purina Hi Pro feed was, it's 29.99 for 50 pounds at Chewy.com. Dave
Dave,exactly which blend are you talking about?Iwent to chewy and could not find any mention of hi pro.Are you just talking about regular dog chow or maybe beef flavored?Im asking because im currently feeding pro sport 30/20 and am thinking about cutting it with dog chow as you mentioned.Trying to pinch pennies a little bit.

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Must be very new it's called PURUNA DOG CHOW HIPRO, I ordered mine from Chewys.com just received 29.99 50 pound bag. Hope this helps you. Dave p.s. regular dog chow is still available at a cheaper price, I hope to just feed Dog Chow Hi Pro by itself after getting my dogs switched over completely.

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Purina dog chow high protein

Tractor supply shows they have it for $29.99
Look at the ingredient list. #1 is corn #3 is corn gluten meal. Lot of corn which is very cheap. Lamb is listed #8 so doubt very much lamb. They are using the double corn ingredient like many dog food companies. I do feed dog chow to my lgd and mix with my hounds feed. Fat still 12% i think. Might b more. Cold weather i like more fat. Not posting as for or against just that lot of cheap corn in this formula for $30. Just my observation. Especially when can get pride 27/20 for $26.75 a bag.

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Just got back from Sams.Already lost the receipt,dah but I got a 57 pound bag of dog chow for either $17 something or $ 19 something,supposedly with chicken.One third the price of pro sport.My old soup hounds may have to get used to eating a little junk food.

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I plan on getting a few bags at sams club myself. Our Pyrenees/English mastiff lgd likes the dog chow.

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A lot of people feed their dogs Dog Chow and are super happy with it. The protein, fat, and ingredients aren’t exceptional compared to other feeds and would be considered in other brands to be a junk feed. My question is why does Dog Chow do a good job keeping dogs looking good when other comparable feeds don’t do as well or are considered junk feed?


Not that many years ago I read where some companies would add hair to raise the protein content and bone to raise the calcium content...they did this to make the dog food more appealing to the customer...but hair and bone is not digestible...just looks good on the ingredients label...

After reading that I saw a dog food with a higher protein content and I bought it because the price was right...when I opened the bag and looking at the dog food closely I could see the hairs in the dog food...

Also years ago if the bag said 100 percent complete for all stages of a dogs life then it had to meet those requirements...

Don’t know if all this still applies but I would think so...

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Corn, beef and bone meal, and corn gluten meal as the first three ingredients in the bag that states made with real chicken.

Corn, chicken by products, and corn gluten meal as the first three ingredients in the bag that states made with real beef.

Corn, chicken by products, and corn gluten meal as the first three ingredients in the Hi Pro bag that states made with lamb.

On a Facebook post from Purina I asked the question how this was right to put on the bag that the different feeds were made with real whole chicken, real beef, or lamb when they weren’t even one of the main ingredients and were listed way down on the entire list of ingredients. The response from Purina was that the law was that they could list anything on the bag as long as it was greater than 3%, yes three percent, of the total ingredients.

Now how is that for marketing. Lol.

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Purina.....

Dogs are just that.....Dogs...!!!
They will eat Anything Rotten, Anything that stinks, they Love drinking out of an old Mud Puddle and dont care whats in it.

I dont care if Purina has Chicken Feet, Feathers, Beeks, Guts, etc.etc. in it........Most Dogs Love it and do Great on it.
Purina has been doing this for a Long Long time.....they really do Excel at it ....!!!
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