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**Allowing the American bully to be registered with UKC.As the American bully**

Please read and consider...The breed is great and are great in show rings...The horibly flawed dogs are what make bullies look bad..If you need any more info on these dogs feel free to message me..If you oppose please tell me your reason

Introduction
The establishment of today's American Bully and the breed's early fundamental development began in the late 1980's via the efforts of several dedicated breeders and their vision and goals of creating the ultimate family companion.

The American Bully breed evolved only through careful and selective breeding of various bull breeds in a program designed to place an emphasis on maintaining a loyal, devoted and steadfast temperament, while enhancing desired physical characteristics.

As a breed, the American Bully is celebrated for its exceptional loyalty and devotion to its family members. The ideal temperament of an American Bully is very stable, dedicated, confident and is that of an exceptional family companion. The ideal American Bully thrives on pleasing its owners, is highly intelligent, very trainable and capable of performing many tasks and posses diverse abilities. The modern American Bully can be seen today excelling in many areas in society.
Physically, the perfect American Bully is athletic, yet powerfully built.

The American Bully has a solid, well defined muscular frame that gives the impression of massive strength as well as athletic ability.

Males are characteristically stockier and heavier boned than females.

Their lifespan is between 10 and 14 years.

History
The american bully was origonially created in Texas by a Man named Dave wilson.He selectivly picked dogs from the UKC Pitbulls and AKC Staffordshire terriers and crossed them to create correct vuilt but bully family companions

Additional Information
The American bully is thought of as sloppy and disproportionate but the standard says other wise.

Standard
General appearance: The American Bully should give the impression of massive strength as well as athletic ability. A medium size dog with a exceptionally muscular and powerful body

Height:
Males - 17 to 20 inches at the shoulder.
Females - 17 to 19 inches at the shoulder.

Head: The head is large and of medium length, broad skull, very pronounced cheek muscles, distinct stop, short foreface and high set ears.

The head appears to have been chiseled, combining strength, elegance and character. Should give the impression of enormous power, but should not be disproportionate to the overall size of the body.

*Fault : Head too small or disproportionate to the body*

Muzzle:Broad and of medium to medium short in length, tapers slightly from the head to the nose.

Jaws: The jaws are well defined, square and should have a razor sharp or chiseled appearance. Lips are close and even, some looseness in the jowls accepted, but not to be favored

Nose: Nose all colors acceptable. The nose should be a solid color. Lacking pigment should be considered non preferred.

*Fault : A nose lacking all pigment is a disqualifying fault.*

Eyes: Round, wide apart, deeply set and of moderate size. Any color is acceptable. However, odd eyes (one dark, one blue or light) should be considered non preferred. Lacking pigment around the eyes is undesirable.

Bite: The American Bully has a complete set of large, evenly spaced, white teeth. The preferred bite is a scissor or even bite. A reverse scissor or slight undershot should be considered non preferred.

*Fault : The badly undershot or overshot bite is a serious fault. Wry jaw is a disqualifying fault.*


Ears:Set high, natural or cropped. If natural, semi-prick or rose are preferred. Prick or flat, wide ears are non preferred

Neck: The neck should appear strong and muscular, clean in outline and gradually widening toward the shoulders. No looseness of skin. Medium to short in length


Forequarters: Legs should straight, well boned and muscular. Set rather far apart, without looseness at the shoulders and showing no weakness at the pasterns. Bowing, turned out or turned in resulting in poor movement is to be discouraged and considered non-preferred.


Hindquarters:.The hindquarters should be well muscled, hocks let down with stifles well bent with good angulation.
Legs should be parallel when viewed from behind, turning neither in nor out
Coat: The coat should be smooth, short, glossy and close to the skin.

Color: Any color or combination of colors is acceptable except merle.

Gait: Free, powerful and agile with little effort. Legs moving parallel when viewed from front or rear. The breed displays evident power and drive from the hind legs

Shoulders: Strong and muscular with blades wide and sloping.


Body: Moderately short in length. Slight rise from shoulders to rump, level back is just as acceptable.
Ribs should be well sprung (rounded) and the chest wide, broad and deep.

*Fault : Too narrow in the chest.*

Tail: The tail is undocked, of medium length, low set, tapering to a point and carried rather low. It should not curl much and may be likened to an old-fashioned pump handle.

*Fault: A tail that is too long, badly curled or screwed.*

Feet: Round and the pasterns should be strong and tight.

*Fault : Down in the pasterns or splayed feet*

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Stop bumping this up...its freaking annoying.

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your bully breed

the dogs that your breeding are not the standards to the american pit bull terrier, so yes those bully s should be called just that,
now I think that the american pit bull terriers that still fit the standards name should also
be change, I have started calling my dogs by a diffrent breed name I have been calling them Nevada terrier, I chose that because its diffrent and I wanted to get away from the pit and the bull part of the name
I just need to know how to get UKC to change at least my pit bulls breed name

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That is my point too...The american pitbull terrier is a great breed and with all of the bullies being registered as pitbulls the pitbulls arent getting a good name...If the bullies were registered as there own breed then the pitbulls could be pitbulls....

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I have passed this post on to my Supervisor and am waiting for a reply from him. I will check with him this morning, and when I have a reply I will get back to you.

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Thank you russel...

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The issue of the bully-style dogs is one that UKC has considered at length.

Our national association for this breed, the National APBT Association (NAPBTA), has come out strongly against the bully dogs, so much so that they want our inspectors to refuse registration to Single Dog Registration to "Bully" type APBTs.

The problem is that in the vast majority of instances these dogs are purebred APBTs and just exhibit natural variations within the breed that in many cases have been perpetuated and exaggerated by breeders looking to produce the "Bully" type dog. Possibly, some have been mixed with other breed(s) to achieve this look, but that's a different issue.

The problem is that to register these dogs as American Bully dogs would require the inspection of all the living dogs in our registry to discern which are "Bully" and which are APBTs. This is a HUGE, logistically impossible undertaking.

More importantly, though, is UKC's commitment to do what we feel is best for each of the breeds we register. As I stated before, NAPBTA does not want these dogs registered as APBTs. We understand that. You suggest that the creation of a new breed, the American Bully, would be a solution. This solution would make a new breed out of a particular style of APBT that is contrary to the standard. True, UKC might make money doing this, but financial gain has never been the driving force behind our decisions. Creating a new breed which has no unique purpose other than to make money for breeders as the result of a fad is not in the best interests of the registry.
These dogs are simply exaggerated examples of APBTs that are outside of the parameters of the breed standard.

We hope you understand our position in this matter.

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Creating a new breed which has no unique purpose other than to make money for breeders as the result of a fad is not in the best interests of the registry.




What is that supposed to mean...The real bully breeders breed for the look and the loyalty of the dog..They are also very athletic and determined dog.

I do understand other than that statement

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In other words, the UKC has nothing to gain by creating a new database of bully dogs. Only breeders who can advertise their dogs as UKC registered would gain anything....

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Bully breeders dont just breed to breed..We actually show our dogs...There are lots of shows each month..Some support kids with out clothes or other things and some Give food to animal shelters so we dont just breed to make money

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I agree with everything ttk said. There has never ever been a bigger movement in the dog world. But since UKC refuses to recognize hard work thats why we came up with the ABKC american bully kennel club

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And i wanted to add we really want this to happen so we can pull this breed away from the APBT stigmata because this breed is so much different in many ways personality wise than the apbt. When will we be recognized?

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Could they not be registered as a "Companion" breed as the Bulldog is?? There are plenty of dog breeds reg. with UKC with "no particular use" other than companions.

I do think there is a big issue with over breeding of faulted dogs, but this happens in all breeds in all registries.
I would like to see the "bully" dogs seperated from the APBT. I own & show APBT's and get several emails from people looking for "correct" puppies who have to search through a mess of websites & contact information of dogs that do not fit the standard at all. There are also people who are new to the breed who do not know the standard & just see a cute puppy & dont realize it is not fitting the APBT standard. This can cause major confusion for new puppy owners & they may have been expecting to be able to show/compete with the puppy in the future & then learn that it does not fit the standard at all.

Have there not been other breeds that were changed in looks/size that were registered as a new breed even though they are technically the same?
Example: Rat Terriers & American Hairless Terriers?
From what was explained to me these are the same dogs only some are born without hair? So shouldnt they all be the same breed even the hairless ones if what you say about being the same breed even though they have changed is correct?
another example is the Corgi.

There are always going to be bad breeders & BYB's in every breed, but to allow all these dogs that are not to standard & knowing that the breeders are trying to change the breed & create a new one, yet continue to allow them reg. as APBT is crazy.

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How is the corgi another example exactly? And to which corgi are you referring?

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I take offense to the wording of "no particular use". ALL dogs have a use in our lives. What "use" does an APBT do? My miniature pinschers that happen to be companion dogs were the best mousers around. They were bred to kill rats. So were the Yorkshire Terriers. The Dalmation that is in the companion group was bred to guard the carriages. (working dog). The english bulldog was originally bred to take down a bull. They didnt and dont now just sit on peoples laps. Our group is not the dumping grounds for dogs that have "no particular use". In that case then there would be no dogs in our group.

As far as the bully is concerned. It will take you years of proper breeding to get your new breed going. Becuase it is actually a breed already. It is just a fad style of an already recognized breed. Maybe if you look into not having it as a breed of its own but a variety of APBT. That is were your dogs fit more closely. You would have standard Apbt. and then bully Apbt. This way you would still be able show them.

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I wasnt trying to offend anyone with Companion group dogs, I was trying to say that if the dog is not considered a working dog in another group why could they not be registered as a Companion dog as the English Bulldog is? I own AKC reg. Bulldogs and while mine are healthy active dogs they are considered a Companion dog & in todays age do not serve much as working dogs.
I do not own "bully" dogs, but would like to see them in their own catergory or registered under another name than APBT. The APBT breeders I know would prefer to have them reg. as American Bullies as would the owners of these bully dogs. I dont see why the NAPBT club would not want to seperate them from our gene pool.


They have both Welsh Corgi Cardigan & Welsh Corgi Pembroke.

There are several breeds that have different varieties & a few that have different names yet are basically the same dog. I dont see how allowing these dogs that are out of the standard for APBT but still being bred & sold as such would hurt to reg. as its own breed.....after all they are currently being bred, advertised & registered with UKC as ABPT's already so I dont see how money is the issue at all.

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What it really comes down to, is that a group of individuals who are breeding a TYPE of dog that is OUTSIDE the specified breed standard for that breed are WHINING, that they want their own breed.

Well...it takes decades of dedicated breeding to develop a new breed. Not just 3 generations, or 20 years. It takes 50 or more in many cases to totally develop a new breed.

IF you want a new breed SO badly, then Do what is required to completely and totally develop that new breed and STOP badgering the UKC to recognize that, which at this point, only classifies as dogs that do not meet the standard for the breed they are.

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