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do you hunt pregnant females

how long do you hunt your pregnant female before you put them up?

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You can hunt them up till the last two weeks usually.

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ive always heard it good to hunt them till the end like Hobo said. Kind of like how they tell a pregnant woman to do moderate walking at the end of pregnancy.

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I was wondering the same. I've been hunting my little female this past week, and she's about 3 weeks into it. She's not really showing yet, but when she does I'll probably put her up, or maybe just let her go to trees on a leash. She's been starting the tree climbing, and her sister jumps and I'd hate for her to get landed on or fall.

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When it is hot I stop hunting them when they start showing. This time of year I hunt them up to about the last two weeks.

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I hunt them like Hobo said, lay them up about two weeks prior to having pups.

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I hunted mine up until about 10 days before her due date. She never got big or bagged up so that wasn't an issue. I shortened her hunts closer to her due date. The last night I hunted her she looked like a complete idiot and that's when I knew it was time to put her up.

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my old tippie dog got out 2 days before she had her last pups went behind my house and treed an old sow and 3 young ones.
i was taken the trash out late and herd her or she my have treed all night and it was in july that couldnt have been good .
the pups was all fine but she stands stil on the wood no jumping.

she has 26 days to go now ive been taken her once a week but 2 nights ago her 2 year old pup flip was struck and treed just in hearing and i hit my break lights as i was geting out of the truck and i could see she had ben standing there and just going that ant her she,ll get on in there when you cut her out .
i think shes telling me its time for her to stay home ???what do you all think

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Ditto...except in the summer when rattlesnakes are out.

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I believe it was 1981 Glen Singleton won the Va. State on a Sat. night, and his female whelped seven days later. In the pictures she looked like she could have layed down and had a boat load of pups.

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thanks for the info. just had my female bred.

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I believe it was 1981 Glen Singleton won the Va. State on a Sat. night, and his female whelped seven days later. In the pictures she looked like she could have layed down and had a boat load of pups.

My old truth dog brought home some hardware from heritage days in texas. she was as big as a house in the picture. that litter was 10 pups.two grand nites, 3 nites out of that litter! every dog in that litter hunted! i personally think that the pups have more natural hunt if the mother is hunted during pregnancy. the new research on epi-genome inheritance backs this up i think.

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My old truth dog brought home some hardware from heritage days in texas. she was as big as a house in the picture. that litter was 10 pups.two grand nites, 3 nites out of that litter! every dog in that litter hunted! i personally think that the pups have more natural hunt if the mother is hunted during pregnancy. the new research on epi-genome inheritance backs this up i think.
so if u hunt a female while she is prego it makes the pups better now i know u are truly stupid

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so if u hunt a female while she is prego it makes the pups better now i know u are truly stupid


jim, the genome is way over your head , so i wont even try to explain the epi-genome[sp?] to you but to those who have advanced cognitive skills, this is going to be very interesting stuff for us in the future. basically it works like this- behind the very complex structure of the genome is an even more complex structure that appears to be able to hand down traits to the offspring based on events that have happened to the parents or grandparents [or great grand etc.]. As an example, if an individual battled hunger and malnutrition much of its life, their offspring would be much more likely to have food metabolizing capabilities greater than that of offspring of those who didnt battle hunger and malnutrition. meaning that what happened in their lifetime influenced genetically how their offspring turn out. meaning that dogs who hunt are more likely to reproduce offspring who hunt ,not because of genetics but because of EPI-GENETICS. and if this is true it is likely that females that hunt during pregnancy could reproduce better natural hunting traits than those who dont hunt during pregnancy.
I believe that the godfather mr wick himself believes that first litters are more likely to turn out than successive litters [ i believe he wrote that once]. many others share this belief. i have always believed that if this is true it is because the female is more likely to be hunted during pregnancy when she is prego the first time than each successsive time.
But you would have to believe in science for this to work, and this work is in its beginning stages, so the verdict is not in yet. I for one cant wait for the results of epigenetics to be better understood .

p.s. jim- when you resort to character assassination you have lost the debate.

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Epigenetic regulation of genes acquired during early development is inherited not only during cell division (mitotic inheritance), but it also can be passed on from one generation to the next (meiotic inheritance). (For review see: Whitelaw, N.C., & Whitelaw, E., Hum. Mol. Genet. 15 (Spec. No 2): R131-R137, 2006.) Nevertheless, there is no evidence that enhanced human parental mental activity in adulthood increases the mental acuity of their children through the inheritance of acquired epigenetic traits. It remains to be seen if additional epigenetic research elevates Lamarck's stature in the field of evolution.

FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN THIS SUBJECT; google epigenetics and check out the nova/pbs site. they show identical twin mice that appear totally different because of epigenetics.

the first half of this paragraph backs my thoughts , the second half contradicts!

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Q: With the discovery of epigenetics, it seems that behavior can influence the activation and deactivation of the genetic code that can even be passed on to the next generation. Does this mean it is possible that human culture can influence the evolutionary process?
Kenneth Humphrey, El Paso, Texas

A: Mammals whose offspring are born rather than hatched from an egg (marsupial or placental mammals) have imprinted genes. Imprinted genes are expressed from only one parental copy in a parent-of-origin dependent manner (Jirtle, R.L., & Weidman, J.R., Am. Sci. 95: 143-149, 2007). The parent-specific non-functional copy is silenced epigenetically. Moreover, imprinting can be altered after birth by diet (Waterland, R.A., et al., Hum. Mol. Genet. 15: 705-716, 2006). It has been postulated that disruption of genomic imprinting may contribute to mammalian speciation (Vrana, P.B., Nat. Genet. 20: 362-365, 1998). Thus, environmental factors including diet could be involved in the evolution of placental mammals by altering the repertoire of imprinted genes; however, there is presently no direct evidence of this occurring.

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I've got one bred and the pups are due the middle of feb. I'll hunt her untill season is over.
I think the better shape the bitch is in the easier it's on her to have the pups.

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Ditto what Loren said.

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I personally believe it doesnt hurt them a bit to hunt them right up til they have pups. I had a female a few years back, took her to a hunt, won NT CH division with her, got home and had a big litter of pups the same night. Pups and female were all fine. Alot of times I think we all think and worry to much about things. Look at it like this, if these dogs were wild, they wouldnt lay around doing nothing the last month or two weeks of their pregnancy, they are going to go do what they do. It wont hurt them a lick to hunt them, if the female doesnt feel right, she wont hunt, I promise.

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I've got one bred and the pups are due the middle of feb. I'll hunt her untill season is over.
I think the better shape the better shape the bitch is in the easier it's on her to have the pups.



this is very true, Loren.

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You can hunt them up till the last two weeks usually.

Same here for 2 reasons. 1. A mother thats in shape is usually healther and ready to go through the exausting ordeal of having pups. 2. It does'nt take has long to get the mother back into good hunting shape after she's off the pups.

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hunt her as much as possible towards teh end. I've heard that the more you hunt themthe better pups they'll have better hunting instincts, could be a wivestail. also it will help with labor.

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It is called Epigenetics

Originally posted by truly_
My old truth dog brought home some hardware from heritage days in texas. she was as big as a house in the picture. that litter was 10 pups.two grand nites, 3 nites out of that litter! every dog in that litter hunted! i personally think that the pups have more natural hunt if the mother is hunted during pregnancy. the new research on epi-genome inheritance backs this up i think.

so if u hunt a female while she is prego it makes the pups better now i know u are truly stupid


I copied this and wanted to bring this thread back to the top...
I was searching for the one I posted on epigenetics and came across this one...
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jim, the genome is way over your head , so i wont even try to explain the epi-genome[sp?] to you but to those who have advanced cognitive skills, this is going to be very interesting stuff for us in the future. basically it works like this- behind the very complex structure of the genome is an even more complex structure that appears to be able to hand down traits to the offspring based on events that have happened to the parents or grandparents [or great grand etc.]. As an example, if an individual battled hunger and malnutrition much of its life, their offspring would be much more likely to have food metabolizing capabilities greater than that of offspring of those who didnt battle hunger and malnutrition. meaning that what happened in their lifetime influenced genetically how their offspring turn out. meaning that dogs who hunt are more likely to reproduce offspring who hunt ,not because of genetics but because of EPI-GENETICS. and if this is true it is likely that females that hunt during pregnancy could reproduce better natural hunting traits than those who dont hunt during pregnancy.
I believe that the godfather mr wick himself believes that first litters are more likely to turn out than successive litters [ i believe he wrote that once]. many others share this belief. i have always believed that if this is true it is because the female is more likely to be hunted during pregnancy when she is prego the first time than each successsive time.
But you would have to believe in science for this to work, and this work is in its beginning stages, so the verdict is not in yet. I for one cant wait for the results of epigenetics to be better understood .

p.s. jim- when you resort to character assassination you have lost the debate.



You are truly advanced...great post...

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