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2022 Rule Change Proposals
1. Allow the use of thermal imaging devices, cell
phone cameras, and mirrors as scoring aids.
2. Change and combine rules for Dogs Treeing
but Not Declared Treeing to receive the same
demerit, regardless of how the tree is scored. The
recommendation from the proposal is to minus the
strike points and to not assign any additional tree
points in any circumstance.
3. Change Rule 4(b) to read, Strike points will be minus
if none of the declared struck dogs open within 6
minutes. The 6 minutes is a change from the 8
minutes the rule currently requires.
4. Alter the tree countdown to read that the 2nd tree
position closes after 30 seconds, 3rd tree position
closes after 1 minute.
5. Alter Rule 11(d), taking out the stipulation that
you must hear a struck or treed dog open before
recasting.
6. Add the definition of the “implied scratch rule” to
Section 6.
7. Remove the 1st offense Warning from Rule 2(a) for
handlers not striking their dog on or before the 3rd
bark.
8. Remove the 1st offense Warning from Rule 2(d) for
handlers calling the wrong dog.
9. Put a time limit on handlers recasting their dogs
after pulling them off a scoring situation. Give them
up to one minute to recast their dog, or if other
dog in cast is declared treed, up to one minute to
utilize their option to keep their dog on leash until
the next opportunity to recast arises.
10. In any category, a dog to accrue 200 minus points
(regardless of pending strike/tree points) for
running, treeing, or molesting off game. (Off game
must still be seen)

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
2022 Rule Change Proposals
1. Allow the use of thermal imaging devices, cell
phone cameras, and mirrors as scoring aids.
2. Change and combine rules for Dogs Treeing
but Not Declared Treeing to receive the same
demerit, regardless of how the tree is scored. The
recommendation from the proposal is to minus the
strike points and to not assign any additional tree
points in any circumstance.
3. Change Rule 4(b) to read, Strike points will be minus
if none of the declared struck dogs open within 6
minutes. The 6 minutes is a change from the 8
minutes the rule currently requires.
4. Alter the tree countdown to read that the 2nd tree
position closes after 30 seconds, 3rd tree position
closes after 1 minute.
5. Alter Rule 11(d), taking out the stipulation that
you must hear a struck or treed dog open before
recasting.
6. Add the definition of the “implied scratch rule” to
Section 6.
7. Remove the 1st offense Warning from Rule 2(a) for
handlers not striking their dog on or before the 3rd
bark.
8. Remove the 1st offense Warning from Rule 2(d) for
handlers calling the wrong dog.
9. Put a time limit on handlers recasting their dogs
after pulling them off a scoring situation. Give them
up to one minute to recast their dog, or if other
dog in cast is declared treed, up to one minute to
utilize their option to keep their dog on leash until
the next opportunity to recast arises.
10. In any category, a dog to accrue 200 minus points
(regardless of pending strike/tree points) for
running, treeing, or molesting off game. (Off game
must still be seen)

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Seems the use of Thermals has garnered a lot of attention. I use one eery time I hunt but that's just me. I think maybe one area of confusion is that you could never score a coon with a thermal. You have to see the coon or eyes. The thermal would just show you where to look. By they way I am hunting a young dog here and it's hot and dry. Last eight trees have had a coon. Three at least of those I would not have found without the thermal.

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1. No sorry. I promise you, 3 dogs treed. 3 handlers will find where the "hotspot" shows. You all say we can use Garmins.. but...You CAN'T use a Garmin to help score, why a thermal? Cell phones or mirrors SHOWS a coon. Those would be ok. Why lump them together?

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1. Yes. I don’t own one and never used one. If the dog trees a Coon they should get credit for it. It’s up to each handler if they want that advantage they can buy one.

2. I would say yes just because it would simply things. At the local level this probably isn’t applied accurately very often anyway.

3. No, leave it at 8 minutes

4. No, leave it the way it is.

5. No, doesn’t make sense to bail out dogs that are struck in. They’re either opening and you cut back in OR If they are quiet then just sit tight and let them get minused.

6. Yes

7. No, let the judge ask for a call.

8. Fine either way

9. Yes, 1 or 2 minutes is enough.

10. No, leave as it is.

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1. Yes but still have to see the coon and cast agrees.
2. No leave alone/ kind of depends on #10 for off game rule change.
3. Either way 6 or 8 minutes
4. No leave alone. Judges have enough to time and remember already. With this, we are less likely to get to the tree at the end of 3 minutes/ everyone will want to stop and listen for their dog each 30 seconds.
5. Agree as long as I can still wait for that struck dog to open if I wish and if it doesn’t they get a minus. If the last time we heard that struck dog is back .5 miles and I need to lead to there/ no thanks I want to recut now.
6. Agree add the definition
7. No leave alone/ the judge has to ask for a call
8. No leave alone/ some dogs on the first drop especially sound similar.
9. No leave alone/ don’t need another timing thing for judges. Terrain may prohibit from getting very far from tree. Leave it a judge decision(or cast vote) if it is time to recut.
10. Yes agree with change let them hunt they are hounds and can make a mistake- just not twice.

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don't change any rules this time most of the people hunting in hunts hasn't learned the last rule changes yet!!!!!!

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I would like to add another rule proposal to allow hunt directors to hunt. Hunt director can’t do much and usually requires a panel be formed.

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most of them hunt now and get some one else to do paper work!! go back to lic moh

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I would like to add another rule proposal to allow hunt directors to hunt. Hunt director can’t do much and usually requires a panel be formed.

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Originally posted by tg3375
I would like to add another rule proposal to allow hunt directors to hunt. Hunt director can’t do much and usually requires a panel be fo
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Originally posted by J Gearing
Should of been a part of the Hunt Director format from the get go. All it would do is be a help to the clubs and have no effect on the hunt. UKC could change this if they had a mind to. On another note. Rule changes coming from a vote of the Breed Associations seems antiquated given the shape of most Breed Associations today.. JMO

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I would like to add another rule proposal to allow hunt directors to hunt. Hunt director can’t do much and usually requires a panel be formed.

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Allen and I discussed the Hunt Director changing near the end of the Rule Proposal episode we did on the podcast. Check it out here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/40RiuIgWdlyozaVDDEiPxu

Basically, it has been a proposal the last couple cycles and did not pass. Allen and I discussed it this year and decided it wasn't as much a rule change as it is a UKC policy change. Allen made the change this past year to allow Hunt Directors to hunt in the Hunting Beagle format. He is evaluating that, and it's actually going well. It is trending toward something that gets updated in the new Rulebook. We'll have a better idea after Autumn Oaks and the results of those discussions will be made public.

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Originally posted by Trevor / UKC
Allen and I discussed the Hunt Director changing near the end of the Rule Proposal episode we did on the podcast. Check it out here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/40RiuIgWdlyozaVDDEiPxu

Basically, it has been a proposal the last couple cycles and did not pass. Allen and I discussed it this year and decided it wasn't as much a rule change as it is a UKC policy change. Allen made the change this past year to allow Hunt Directors to hunt in the Hunting Beagle format. He is evaluating that, and it's actually going well. It is trending toward something that gets updated in the new Rulebook. We'll have a better idea after Autumn Oaks and the results of those discussions will be made public.

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Originally posted by Trevor / UKC
Basically, it has been a proposal the last couple cycles and did not pass. Allen and I discussed it this year and decided it wasn't as much a rule change as it is a UKC policy change. Allen made the change this past year to allow Hunt Directors to hunt in the Hunting Beagle format. He is evaluating that, and it's actually going well. It is trending toward something that gets updated in the new Rulebook. We'll have a better idea after Autumn Oaks and the results of those discussions will be made public.

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Why did y'all have to try it with the Beagles? All you had to do is ask several people that actually hunt, especially if you asked hunters who have been hunting under that format in that other registry for many years.

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The Hunting Beagle voting associations passed the rule change in their 2021 Rule Change year. The coonhound associations did not pass it during the last voting year in 2019.

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Originally posted by Trevor / UKC
Allen and I discussed the Hunt Director changing near the end of the Rule Proposal episode we did on the podcast. Check it out here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/40RiuIgWdlyozaVDDEiPxu

Basically, it has been a proposal the last couple cycles and did not pass. Allen and I discussed it this year and decided it wasn't as much a rule change as it is a UKC policy change. Allen made the change this past year to allow Hunt Directors to hunt in the Hunting Beagle format. He is evaluating that, and it's actually going well. It is trending toward something that gets updated in the new Rulebook. We'll have a better idea after Autumn Oaks and the results of those discussions will be made public.

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Originally posted by Trevor / UKC
Allen and I discussed the Hunt Director changing near the end of the Rule Proposal episode we did on the podcast. Check it out here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/40RiuIgWdlyozaVDDEiPxu

Basically, it has been a proposal the last couple cycles and did not pass. Allen and I discussed it this year and decided it wasn't as much a rule change as it is a UKC policy change. Allen made the change this past year to allow Hunt Directors to hunt in the Hunting Beagle format. He is evaluating that, and it's actually going well. It is trending toward something that gets updated in the new Rulebook. We'll have a better idea after Autumn Oaks and the results of those discussions will be made public.

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To the top Oaks is coming soon.

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I'm going to go a different direction then Jack. All of you are chatting up hunt rules, while bench rules need some serious ethics added.

Exhibitors can not show any dog that has been: owned by the judge, handled by the judge or used at stud by the judge within 1 year.

Exhibitors can not handle under a judge that they have previous co-owned, sold a dog to, traveled with or shared any show expenses with or handled a dog for in the last 12 months.

Judges at multi day events can not exhibit at any event leading up to their judging assignment(ie, it's a 3 day event, they are judging the 2nd day, so can't exhibit on the 1st day) and Judges should not be present at an multi day event prior to their judging assignment.

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Please do something with these babbling idiots!

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Have enough problems people don't know the rules, have zero interest, in confusing more people.

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Have enough problems people don't know the rules, have zero interest, in confusing more people.

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Rule Changes:

1. yes, but put it in there that you have to physically see the coon.
2. yes
3. no leave it alone
4. no leave it alone
5. no leave it alone
6. yea
7, no leave it alone
8. yes this rule should have never been changed in the first place
9. yes but you need to place a time on it
10. no leave it alone

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