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There is no leash lock in CHKC and it pays money to win.

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It's buried in the archives of coondog histories forever !! Buuuuuut if you young guys had been there to see it you would be singing a different song ........ Oh by the way us old guys didn't change the game you young guys did and I cooked and judged and moh when I was young now about that getting old stuff.



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What people don't realize is most of what they call dead loners run the edges and find a hot pop up

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What !!!!! Do you ask your brother for information while you make your pretty candle stick holders ?



Boom baby !!



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This topic is beat to death on this forum. Guarantee you within a month we will have to revisit it. People worry to much about what everyone else is packing. Dogs that hustle tree coons and are accurate win compitition hunts more consistently. I've never seen a wld class or elite hound that had a style of staying close and poping coons within 100 yards of truck. The days of dropping all the dogs staying together and scoring trees and moving are over at major hunts that are meaningful.

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Mr Williams the funny thing is back in the day we had every style of dog that you got now. We had babblers , deep and alone , we had edge runners , we had cover late get ate !! Buuuuuut we only had rules ( ukc ) that it wasn't in a dogs best interest to do those things. You had 300 dogs at a lot of major hunts that you had to have the most plus points to beat them. Local hunts at least you had to beat 60 dogs for your first place. No elimination style no enter up and get a second chance. Now with any game you get people that figure out how to maximize their chances of winning with the rules in place any time you have big $$$$$ on the line you will find people with deep pockets that will spend $30,000 to win $30,000. I can't compete with that even with a coondog my chances of buying a $2 quick pick and winning the lottery are just about as good as me driving to the world hunt thinking I am going to win it. Took me 40 plus years of trying to figure that out and I promise I have had dogs that could tree coons with anybody's. But hey y'all keep trying.



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Mr Williams the funny thing is back in the day we had every style of dog that you got now. We had babblers , deep and alone , we had edge runners , we had cover late get ate !! Buuuuuut we only had rules ( ukc ) that it wasn't in a dogs best interest to do those things. You had 300 dogs at a lot of major hunts that you had to have the most plus points to beat them. Local hunts at least you had to beat 60 dogs for your first place. No elimination style no enter up and get a second chance. Now with any game you get people that figure out how to maximize their chances of winning with the rules in place any time you have big $$$$$ on the line you will find people with deep pockets that will spend $30,000 to win $30,000. I can't compete with that even with a coondog my chances of buying a $2 quick pick and winning the lottery are just about as good as me driving to the world hunt thinking I am going to win it. Took me 40 plus years of trying to figure that out and I promise I have had dogs that could tree coons with anybody's. But hey y'all keep trying.



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Not true.

Do you just repeat what you hear on the internet when discussing coon hunting?

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Tar. Things have changed. You can say one thing and I can twist it around. That's why this is a never ending argument that noone will agree on. Two years ago we went to walker days and hunted 3 night with dot. Night # 1 she won her cast with 1 coon and was found after the hunt over 1.5 with another one. Next night no coon was scored. We found her after hunt 1.7 under a coon. Night 3 she scored 750 plus and was highest scoring dog there all weekend. Was alone and had first tree ever drop. But never over 1/2 mile. Why did she score 750 by pkc rules that night and not the other. Waybe we were in coon I don't know. Guide has everything to do with high scores.

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post a few garmin screen shots of your dead loner's tracks. They will be staight lines then a sharp turn when ol loner winds a hot one, then treed. Or ol loner runs the edge or fence row or worse the road. Im sure a few deep and alone work for the track but the keyword is few.

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Wanna bet?

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Theres plenty out here of both kind. But very few coon dogs of any kind

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Don't do it it's a trap !!!!


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Yeah but I know better than to bet you they don't lol.



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I'd say it depends on the dog. Some are very very fast track dogs. Some are independent because they're the jealous type, and some of those are very slow. I prefer one that is indifferent about other dogs. One that will think for itself. But will a piece if yours if it gets struck out of the truck. Then after that will be alone most of the time.

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I owned Southern Style for awhile and I can guarantee you he was a loaner and I also can guarantee you that he could run, pop, lay, track, or grub any kind of coon up. Just saying this to argue the fact that all loaners just hunt straight and pop coons is BS.

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I owned Southern Style for awhile and I can guarantee you he was a loaner and I also can guarantee you that he could run, pop, lay, track, or grub any kind of coon up. Just saying this to argue the fact that all loaners just hunt straight and pop coons is BS.

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I owned Southern Style for awhile and I can guarantee you he was a loaner and I also can guarantee you that he could run, pop, lay, track, or grub any kind of coon up. Just saying this to argue the fact that all loaners just hunt straight and pop coons is BS.

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I love the fact that some ppl truly believe that some dogs are made to be loaners or they are jealous and wont go hunting with other dogs i call bull spit most are born that way some are made that way but it is but we can argue til we blue in the face I like the loaners and some like the me too ers lol

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I call bull spit on that Sam lol !! Just because a dog Isn't a dead loner don't mean it's a meetooer!! Remember what dark did too em ? I have had the pleasure of owning two like her father and son if dogs missed the coon trail right by them without throwing a locate but if a dog out ran them they would stop take what points was available then might be alone on the next one it's called being in the right place at the right time. Growing up if you wasn't at the table at the right time you didn't get no supper and it was a long time till breakfast just sayen.



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I want one thats going to do what ever it needs to do no matter the company. They all have a certain skill set and they just need to be good at what ever that skill set is, if thats being hot nosed thats fine. Just be good at it. I got a young dog out of hardwood patch and a gyp out of Lipper. I dont think she has ever covered another dog. Friday night I watched her two different time go right by dogs treed and never check them. I didnt do it to her she has always been that way and thats fine with me, but that is a blood line that comes way before the independent dogs. So where did it come from?

Something else I'm learning about these deep going dogs. Everyone definition of deep is not the same.

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Being how hides are worthless and have been for years these low scores are because dogs are split up time you get them rounded up the hunt is over. You should be able in good coon woods hunt 2 hrs in a mile section not be a mile in in 15 minutes. Sometimes in this junk I hunt 500 yards is to deep. Bring ole deep and alone down here for a week I will stay at the truck and hoot you out you won't like your dog no more I promise.


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to answer the question. idk about anyone else but if i hunt a dog enough nites i can tell what kind of track dog it is with or without company. if i hunt them with a dog i am already familiar with it takes a lot less time but it can be done alone with or without company but u have to be honest about your evaluation and have experience. evaluating tracking is very complicated so not everyone can do it well.

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after all look at how everyone is sidetracked. lol

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