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tree minded/ track minded?
the good and bad?

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Track minded tree dog that is accurate.

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well it depends on what stage of training but here is my observation.

A track minded young dog prefers to track rather than stop and tree. Some of these type dogs finally figure out that these tracks go up trees and they finally learn to stop and start treeing on that tree and also learn to stay at that tree. Then others in this same catagory seem to get stronger to track and care less about treeing, and are ALWAYS off the tree trying to find where the track went. I have found that this type of hound may be more likely to be junky and will like to run tracks that they can really drive such as fox and deer, but those that learn to stop and tree can sometimes become some of the best, (most accurate) tree dogs that you will ever own.

Now the young dog that is heavy to tree, is usually less junky, has a little less drive to go find a track, and trees empty more often at a young age than the heavy track minded pup. But this same pup is usually a little easier to hunt by itself at a younger age as it will get treed, and you can walk in and get it off a tree and then go home more often without having to shock your dog in to you so you can catch it.

Dogs don't always understand what it is you are trying to teach them, every time you hit that shock button. You can easily confuse a young dog by over correcting with a shocker.

Pick your poison as either type CAN make a nice hound, depending upon how much track or tree desire is in the dog. It's up to you as to how much you think you can stand to mold them into a good coon catching hound. Good Luck to You!

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well it depends on what stage of training but here is my observation.

A track minded young dog prefers to track rather than stop and tree. Some of these type dogs finally figure out that these tracks go up trees and they finally learn to stop and start treeing on that tree and also learn to stay at that tree. Then others in this same catagory seem to get stronger to track and care less about treeing, and are ALWAYS off the tree trying to find where the track went. I have found that this type of hound may be more likely to be junky and will like to run tracks that they can really drive such as fox and deer, but those that learn to stop and tree can sometimes become some of the best, (most accurate) tree dogs that you will ever own.

Now the young dog that is heavy to tree, is usually less junky, has a little less drive to go find a track, and trees empty more often at a young age than the heavy track minded pup. But this same pup is usually a little easier to hunt by itself at a younger age as it will get treed, and you can walk in and get it off a tree and then go home more often without having to shock your dog in to you so you can catch it.

Dogs don't always understand what it is you are trying to teach them, every time you hit that shock button. You can easily confuse a young dog by over correcting with a shocker.

Pick your poison as either type CAN make a nice hound, depending upon how much track or tree desire is in the dog. It's up to you as to how much you think you can stand to mold them into a good coon catching hound. Good Luck to You!

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Originally posted by Rocketman55
well it depends on what stage of training but here is my observation.

A track minded young dog prefers to track rather than stop and tree. Some of these type dogs finally figure out that these tracks go up trees and they finally learn to stop and start treeing on that tree and also learn to stay at that tree. Then others in this same catagory seem to get stronger to track and care less about treeing, and are ALWAYS off the tree trying to find where the track went. I have found that this type of hound may be more likely to be junky and will like to run tracks that they can really drive such as fox and deer, but those that learn to stop and tree can sometimes become some of the best, (most accurate) tree dogs that you will ever own.

Now the young dog that is heavy to tree, is usually less junky, has a little less drive to go find a track, and trees empty more often at a young age than the heavy track minded pup. But this same pup is usually a little easier to hunt by itself at a younger age as it will get treed, and you can walk in and get it off a tree and then go home more often without having to shock your dog in to you so you can catch it.

Dogs don't always understand what it is you are trying to teach them, every time you hit that shock button. You can easily confuse a young dog by over correcting with a shocker.

Pick your poison as either type CAN make a nice hound, depending upon how much track or tree desire is in the dog. It's up to you as to how much you think you can stand to mold them into a good coon catching hound. Good Luck to You!

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Excellent post...

what do you think about the deep and alone kick rocks in your face when the dog is cast out?

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“Deep and alone” always makes me wonder how many coon he or she blew by on the way to getting deep and alone. The country I live and hunt in is no place for that style of dog.

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I want a treedog that can track not a track dog that can tree. The way I look at it a natural tree dog will always be a treedog, a man made treedog you can’t ever count on to always be there waiting for you.

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I want a treedog that can track not a track dog that can tree. The way I look at it a natural tree dog will always be a treedog, a man made treedog you can’t ever count on to always be there waiting for you.

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Surely it is not an either / or argument? Surely some have bettered the breed to naturally excel at both? I'd like to hope so anyway.

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Surely it is not an either / or argument? Surely some have bettered the breed t
o naturally excel at both? I'd like to hope so anyway.

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Part of the problem in my mind is that many people get caught up in breeding based on titles and competition records, what they read in ads, here say, etc.

You can never know to much about your dog and it’s ancestry and breeding is always a gamble as is buying a pup.

The more FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE you have of the 1st two or three generations behind your potential hounds the better decisions you should be able to make regarding what they MAY turn out to be. Breeding or picking a pup at best is a crap shoot but there are a few things you can do to increase your odds a little if you invest some time searching for what you want. Of course this all assumes you really know what you want in a coon dog beforehand!

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