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With UKC allowing Sam to go thru the finals and win. With the judge and handler having the same story about time being left in the hunt when Sam was treed. With the master of hounds receiving the scorecard and no question of anything that night and him signing off on it and being able to move on to the finals. Should Sam be the world champion. Giving him the trophy and prizes and pictures.

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With UKC allowing Sam to go thru the finals and win. With the judge and handler having the same story about time being left in the hunt when Sam was treed. With the master of hounds receiving the scorecard and no question of anything that night and him signing off on it and being able to move on to the finals. Should Sam be the world champion. Yes or No

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Yes sir the reason is all cast members agreed to take a strike and tree call from Non hunting guide because cast got broke up and dogs was scattered everywhere all cast members agreed to this

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Thanks

I always thought if dogs were so scattered out and the judge couldn't judge them they were required to call time out. I don't know how all that works.

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You can't let it go as far as it did and let him win all the casts and then change your mind!! Imo he best evry dog he was cast against by treeing coon , period falls under the common sense rule , few things might have been iffy at best and if so find the person or persons that didn't. Follow protocol and put them on probation etc,, but it would be 100% wrong Imo to strip to winning dogs title over one or two crybabies that want to whine cause there dog was slick !

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You can't let it go as far as it did and let him win all the casts and then change your mind!! Imo he best evry dog he was cast against by treeing coon , period falls under the common sense rule , few things might have been iffy at best and if so find the person or persons that didn't. Follow protocol and put them on probation etc,, but it would be 100% wrong Imo to strip to winning dogs title over one or two crybabies that want to whine cause there dog was slick !

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So I guess I have another question. The owners that are supposedly complaining. Did they have an incident in a prior round where 2 dogs were on different trees and seemed to be split trees but scored as one allowing dog to advance? Coon was actually in the other dogs tree. Or am I getting this confused with another dog/cast.

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Keep it civil, trying to think this out step by step.

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Found this on another thread. Can't 100% say it was dog that got to the final cast, because of UKCs new website I can't find the matchups.

"Split trees that weren't touching got scored as one. They were shining straight through my tree, saw my coon, tried to say it was in the other tree. Then it was scored as one tree. The judge glanced up a few times and said they touched and they 100% did not. Master of hounds would have to go with the judges call. Simple as that. So I questioned the judge, and then let it be."

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pretty smart post hmm maybe UKC should have done this

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I will say one thing coon hound bloodlines should refund one issue to everyone as that last book was a big let down like the world hunt didn't even hapen I don't buy that book to look at show dogs and that's Perty much all it was minus the few good articles in there buy breed asocations and the good laura bell rite-up.

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Let us all keep this post civil, do not attack anyone personally ( please ). I like this format of asking questions and getting straight answers. Nothing wrong with having this information made available to the board members. Remember this should be exactly what happened and not opinion or guessing or infering based in on ones emotions. Please keep it clean or else this post will go poof! Dave

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Oh my goodness, is this what they they are talking about on the TV when they say that they are "trying a case in the press"?

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I have one last question before I give my honest opinion on the matter.

Since I've already stated I cant find anything on this new website. Did Sambo have a CW Friday night at the zones that would have gotten him to the finals?

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Just curious as to what reasoning one can come up with to vote no.

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No sir he had 125 minus on Friday night from a bad call i made. Saturday night he ended up with 375 plus with the last tree Non hunting guide said we had no time left in hunt when judge said we did. Take the last coon away he ends up with 150 still gets thru the zones.

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Robbie no matter what happens when and if we meet ole tar is going to walk up and shake your hand you have kept your composure and you believe in your dog I am old school those two things tell me a lot about you. I can't throw rocks at nobody what I did when I was younger.



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I will say one thing coon hound bloodlines should refund one issue to everyone as that last book was a big let down like the world hunt didn't even hapen I don't buy that book to look at show dogs and that's Perty much all it was minus the few good articles in there buy breed asocations and the good laura bell rite-up.

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You are spot on Richard, that is exactly what is meant by "trying a case in the press". Media spotlight on anything tends to prejudice the subject matter. People tend to bias themselves by the information they hear or see on the media. High profile cases in law tend to sequester the jury away from outside sources to prevent this sort of behavior. A jury should have only the facts of the case before them in order to make the best decision possible. We all know that wrong decisions are sometimes made and are overturned on appeal. In criminal cases it takes an overwhelming amount of evidence to covict one of a crime. In civil matters it only takes a slight difference ( i.e. 51 to 49 ) to reach a decision. UKC will most likely make a decision on this matter if the evidence tips one way ir the other as this is a civil matter. Dave

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So guide can take a tree call now? But gets slandered about the time? This agreeing to let guide get involved in first place never should've happened. Rules are rules. Guide takes you, judge judges, handler calls dog, easy.

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I feel for the Sambo team.

This investigation should in no way diminish what people think of that dog. He is proved that he is a World Class Hound. And if people think less of his abilities after this, then they do not understand the sport very well.

With that being said, I voted NO based on the following reasons:

1. We do not know all of the facts.
2. True justice is never determined by popular vote. Popular vote can agree with the determination of justice, but never the other way around.
3. It is never too late to do the right thing.

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...... Should Sam be the world champion. Giving him the trophy and prizes and pictures.

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Apparently not in this case as the rules ( as we know them ) were not followed. Kind of complicates the investigation UKC is trying to resolve. Dave

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Exactly, can't just use what you want how you want. Bad deal for all involved. Seemed harmless, but......

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