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willscrk
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quote:
Originally posted by Voyd Cannon
I bet it works.




-----------------------------grnte northern bl jet v
----------------------nitech.northern blue sampson
----------------------------- northern blue crystal
----------- dual grch n.bl.sampson's diamond rock
-----------------------------grntech koosers diamond dandy
----------------------grch.banes misty mt. sis
--------------------------nitech.grch kooser's fly

----------------------------dual grch n.bl.sampson's diamond rock
--------------------grch.nitech wills creek blue ben
----------------------------grch.wills creek stinging sadie
-------------wills creek stinging sadie 2
----------------------nitech northern blue sting(double grandson jetv)
-------------------grch.wills creek stinging sadie
-----------------------browns indiana blue


i have a good feeling about it for sure-----been a lotta time put into making that pedigree

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line beeding because of the bottom side of your female is a different line. You should take a female pup back to Joker and a male back to his mother then mate those pups, you would have a lot of stylish clover, those pups should produce.


They have to meet the test first! They are not due until the 6th of Feb.!

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I admire your breeding program. I agree that in my mind that is tight linebreeding but not inbreeding. The best part is that includes Old Clover. You can't go wrong there.

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 Ol' Blondie

On page 6 of this thread , LarryPoe was talking about Kemmer's Blondie and how she was rated as an all time top female ......... why was it that none of her pups suited the owner on the out crosses he made with her ? There are people that will tell you that a top gyp is more to the equation than the sire , just found it strange that such a good female never reproduced much until bred to her own offspring . Is it true that you have'nt got a chance if you don't take a chance ? Shoot the puck up the ice , and crash the net ! What is meant for you won't go by you !

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My buddy recently showed me a female out of a cross he had made a couple years ago. Wild Casey 3x in a 3 gen ped.


sire Gr Nt Ch Wessel's Wild Casey


Female
grand sire Gr. Nt. Ch. Nances Cache River Redmans Eagle( Gr Nt Ch Wild Casey x nances cache river strick)

dam Wild Spyder

granddam is Logans wild Pearl(Gr Nt Ch Wessel's Wild Casey x Gr. Nt. Ch. Winigers Candy)


Would you consider this tight linebred or inbred? I'm not sure I'd call it inbred, but it is a lot closer bred than anything I would like, and I'm a huge fan of Wild Casey dogs.
This female also had a litter of pups out of her running around, they were as "Ugly" as can be. 1 was completely white faced. I should have taken pics.

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inbreeding/linebreeding is the best way to set desired traits in any animal you breed but along with close breeding goes hard culling and each generayion gets geneticaly purer with p
to the one who got one legged one eyed results from inbreedind you should have culled them all what you proved was genetic weakness in your stock the ones that appeared and turned out good still have the genetic possibility to produce abnormal pupsredictable results

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Originally posted by brogy
My buddy recently showed me a female out of a cross he had made a couple years ago. Wild Casey 3x in a 3 gen ped.


sire Gr Nt Ch Wessel's Wild Casey


Female
grand sire Gr. Nt. Ch. Nances Cache River Redmans Eagle( Gr Nt Ch Wild Casey x nances cache river strick)

dam Wild Spyder

granddam is Logans wild Pearl(Gr Nt Ch Wessel's Wild Casey x Gr. Nt. Ch. Winigers Candy)


Would you consider this tight linebred or inbred? I'm not sure I'd call it inbred, but it is a lot closer bred than anything I would like, and I'm a huge fan of Wild Casey dogs.
This female also had a litter of pups out of her running around, they were as "Ugly" as can be. 1 was completely white faced. I should have taken pics.


This was linebreeding cuz it worked, if it didnt I would have called it inbreeding.LOL

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 Preach on Brother!

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I guess I threw all my money away at collage learning about DNA and all the effects of inbreeding. Who needs proven scientific facts. With all the experts on this board.
Darren, if you really are intrested you should get your hands on the documentary OSU learning channel did on dogs and inbreeding. They inbreed dogs for yrs. to get a controled study on the health effects.


Thats the truth man but you can't get people to listen about it, all those years of controlled experiments are just wrong I guess. Kinda like some people still believe that the world is flat, we never went to the moon, and Elvis is still alive. Same mentality.

I got an inbred pup. Her front leg joints look real bad and I dont know that she will be able to stand on them all of her life.

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Thats the truth man but you can't get people to listen about it, all those years of controlled experiments are just wrong I guess. Kinda like some people still believe that the world is flat, we never went to the moon, and Elvis is still alive. Same mentality.

I got an inbred pup. Her front leg joints look real bad and I dont know that she will be able to stand on them all of her life.


Nobody said that there were not risks involved with inbreeding. The simple fact is that those risks do exist.....

However, the other very simple law of genetics is that you can not breed in those defects through inbreeding that do not already exist. They may very well be deeply embedded in recessive genes, but they exist none the less.

I've seen total 'outcross" dogs that have bad front legs. Did either of the parents, or grand parents, aunts, or uncles of your inbreed pup have bad feet or legs? Did any of them have any joint problems at all....how about hip dysplasia.

Again, the best way to find a genetic fault is through inbreeding....and in my mind, all of the stud dogs should be mated with a close relative before being offered at stud. That way you would find the studs that pass on inverted eyelids, hip dysplacia, and any other number of genetic problems prior to breeding half of the females of any breed, and further embedding the genetic mud (problems) in the obscurity of recessive traits.

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