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And... I can already hear folks arguing that if a dog wins without getting first or second strike, then they deserve to win. But I'm here to tell you, that where coon are plentiful,

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If not, does anyone care about hunting a hound that looks and acts like a hound? If you want to hunt a fast "tree dog", hunt a cur. If someone found a yorkshire terrier trait that would be advantageous in a hunt or put more meat over-head, should we all start making that cross???



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So you dont think a hound should be a fast tree dog?? A dog SHOULD get treed as fast as it can and have the coon when it does! Why wouldnt anybody want a hound that didnt get treed fast with the meat? Nobody in their right mind would want a slow tree dog! Producing dogs that are born with added advantages in comp. hunts and dogs that put more meat overhead, is what we as breeders call bettering the breed!! Who would ever want to produce dogs that couldnt have advantages in the hunts and couldnt tree more coon??? Nobody Ive ever known in my life!

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I got a walker dog well he's 13 now he would burn a track up till a dog got ahead of him then he would shut up till he was in the lead again if they got ahead of him twice he shut up till he treed smartest dog I ever see

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If not, does anyone care about hunting a hound that looks and acts like a hound? If you want to hunt a fast "tree dog", hunt a cur. If someone found a yorkshire terrier trait that would be advantageous in a hunt or put more meat over-head, should we all start making that cross???



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So you dont think a hound should be a fast tree dog?? A dog SHOULD get treed as fast as it can and have the coon when it does! Why wouldnt anybody want a hound that didnt get treed fast with the meat? Nobody in their right mind would want a slow tree dog! Producing dogs that are born with added advantages in comp. hunts and dogs that put more meat overhead, is what we as breeders call bettering the breed!! Who would ever want to produce dogs that couldnt have advantages in the hunts and couldnt tree more coon??? Nobody Ive ever known in my life!

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And... once again, if you only care about having "advantages" in the hunt, then breed a babbling at the start, turning over to a silent the rest of the way, light-broke gator, that will always be the first one to the tree and ensure he's the only one there when you come to score it!

That's the whole point I've been trying to make, but apparently being missed. We should breed and raise coonhounds, and then compete to see who has the best one. We shouldn't be breeding for the best competition dog that you can't enjoy the other five nights of the year!

If you look at any sport, you will find folks that love the sport FIRST, and like to compete. Kids play baseball and basketball because they love the game, not because they only like to compete, or because they only like hitting the ball or making a basket. If they only cared about that, they would just spend their time at a batting cage or at the free throw line.

In my opinion... those of you who only care about treeing coon and winning hunts, are the very reason we have slick treeing idiots, who babble. Because you bred for competition and not the entire essence of coon hunting!

Just one man's opinion...

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Dang! This post my be voted #1. I wonder if Allen Gingrich is reading this thread. Where you at Bro Allen.? Give us a final say so Chief.

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the competition is for the fastest dog because the first one gets the highest score. the slowest gets the lowest and the most accurate gets to keep his points. So if you have the fastest most accurate dog you win.

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Dang! This post my be voted #1. I wonder if Allen Gingrich is reading this thread. Where you at Bro Allen.? Give us a final say so Chief.

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silent means no noise , so if at any time he makes a noise on track he is no longer silent. lol

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i think this post is well i guess there no way to say it nicely but its dumb the rules are black and white scratch a silent dog

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Agree. But have you ever seen so many differences in opinions?

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i think its a good topic. like you said,lots of opinions. ive never owned a dog that was 100% silent. mine will all open a time or two on some tracks and never say a word on others. they tree coon though and thats whats most important to me.

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i think its a good topic. like you said,lots of opinions. ive never owned a dog that was 100% silent. mine will all open a time or two on some tracks and never say a word on others. they tree coon though and thats whats most important to me.

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If you are open to change opinions are helpful. If you are hard headed and stuck in the past and are 100% sure you are right all the time opinions give you a head ache, But thats just my opinion. lol

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Any football fans out there???

Since scoring a touchdown is all that matters, and a couple touchdowns out-weight several field goals, let's just shorten the field, do away with field goals and have everyone start on the 10 yard line...

...all those first downs, passes, etc. are just a waste of time, right!

Is this not what all of you arguing for just the tree and coon matters, trying to argue??? If so, your argument sounds just as ridiculous to us that care about the whole hunt, as the above analogy to football! We could also do away with the baskeball court, and just have games involve a free-throw shoot-out. LOL!

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i keep seeing " if you want a tree dog hunt a cur". I hunt curs and i do not have one that is completely silent. So what are you talking about. No they don't say much if the track is bad, but they will let you know when they are on something. They are not just hot nosed dog either. But they do tree coon faster than some others. They hunt for me not for themselves. They are pretty good about having the meat and they don't take all night or make me walk all night to get to them. they are NOT stone silent. Yes on squirrel they are silent on track. But on coon i have one that is really tight and another that is more hound like. but when he shuts up, start walking he is fixing to pull the trigger. he don't sound like a yard dog, and has a locate that you would pay to hear. His grand dad is world night champion X jr. so he is 1/4 hound and 3/4 of the best curs in the country. i have a female that goes back to rat attack. breed for what suits you and who cares about the rest. i just wish people would get back to COON hunting instead of worrying about winning a hunt. IF you have a COON DOG you will do your share of winning, no matter what the rules say. The guys that try to use the rules to win don't have much on the lead.

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I played foot ball in the back yard that was much smaller than a football field, we use whatever we could find for a ball and didnt even know what the rules were, but we had fun. But yes we did keep score. so I guess even back then I liked to win. lol

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amazingcursouth - I think you're making our point for us... that being the silent on track trait is a cur trait, while being open on track is a hound trait. That's why your dogs, that have hound out-crosses, are open on track when coon hunting. We're not saying it's an absolute, we're saying it's a more common trait in certain dogs, than others. Just like wanting a saddle back would lead you to Walkers, but not all Walkers are saddle back.

So the point is... if you want silent (or semi-silent) track dogs, because all you care about is treeing coon, perhaps owning a cur dog should be your approach, as opposed to breeding it out of (which is apparently what happens when it gives you an advantage in the hunts) our hounds.

And no, it's not a matter of personal preference! Let's say I personally prefer short, pointy ears (like a terrier) does that make it right if I do everything in my power to change the Walker breed so they have short pointy ears?!? No, that would be irreresponsible.

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Harley,

In baseball would you recommend skipping 2nd and 3rd base and running straight to home? After all, crossing home plate is all that matters...

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dont be making fun of my pointy eard walker, them there is fightin words. lol

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Id like to see the hunts open to anything a guy wants to pay his entry on. either they will fill up the score card or they wont, and the dog with the most coon treed at the end of the night wins.

I was going to the hunts back when a man could hunt a grade dog and they were overall better dogs because noone is hunting a grade idiot to just try and put a title on it.

I have also seen a couple dogs thru the years that started out as open trailers as young dogs and ended up as silent dogs because they got smart.

Its not like most hunts are drawing large numbers of dogs, Why not come one come all and let the chips fall where they may.

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I cant think of anything funny about baseball, its to boring to me, the game is to long and the action is spread out so far its hard to keep interested in it. I did get into it when Mark and Sammy was hitting all those home runs. Man that was almost as exciting as seeing a beautiful dog with his feet on the tree streched out slinging his head back,slobber flying every where blowing the top out of the tree. ok its not even close to being that exciting.

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Id like to see the hunts open to anything a guy wants to pay his entry on. either they will fill up the score card or they wont, and the dog with the most coon treed at the end of the night wins.

I was going to the hunts back when a man could hunt a grade dog and they were overall better dogs because noone is hunting a grade idiot to just try and put a title on it.

I have also seen a couple dogs thru the years that started out as open trailers as young dogs and ended up as silent dogs because they got smart.

Its not like most hunts are drawing large numbers of dogs, Why not come one come all and let the chips fall where they may.

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I think a silent dog would have an advantage over other dogs and he would get closer to the coon before the coon knew something was after him. Therefor the coon would not run as far and would be treed much quicker, not giving the coon much time to think and it would also keep a me too dog off of the silent dogs track until it was to late.

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keep em coming david lets see what i can come up with on some more comparisons. Boxing, MMA, socker, Golf, surly you got another one for me to help pass the day.

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