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Russian Hackers Broke Into Federal Agencies, U.S. Officials Suspect
In one of the most sophisticated and perhaps largest hacks in more than five years, email systems were breached at the Treasury and Commerce Departments. Other breaches are under investigation.

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By David E. Sanger
Published Dec. 13, 2020
Updated Dec. 21, 2020
The Trump administration acknowledged on Sunday that hackers acting on behalf of a foreign government — almost certainly a Russian intelligence agency, according to federal and private experts — broke into a range of key government networks, including in the Treasury and Commerce Departments, and had free access to their email systems.

Officials said a hunt was on to determine if other parts of the government had been affected by what looked to be one of the most sophisticated, and perhaps among the largest, attacks on federal systems in the past five years. Several said national security-related agencies were also targeted, though it was not clear whether the systems contained highly classified material.

The Trump administration said little in public about the hack, which suggested that while the government was worried about Russian intervention in the 2020 election, key agencies working for the administration — and unrelated to the election — were actually the subject of a sophisticated attack that they were unaware of until recent weeks.

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And again I say if you believe Russian hackers hacked our system "again" then I feel for your inability to understand when your sheepness has had the wool pulled over your eyes. Just because it's in print doesn't make it so ....geesh ....if you have no thought process of your own then we can not have a conversation....i say good day.....


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Russian Hackers Broke Into Federal Agencies, U.S. Officials Suspect
In one of the most sophisticated and perhaps largest hacks in more than five years, email systems were breached at the Treasury and Commerce Departments. Other breaches are under investigation.

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By David E. Sanger
Published Dec. 13, 2020
Updated Dec. 21, 2020
The Trump administration acknowledged on Sunday that hackers acting on behalf of a foreign government — almost certainly a Russian intelligence agency, according to federal and private experts — broke into a range of key government networks, including in the Treasury and Commerce Departments, and had free access to their email systems.

Officials said a hunt was on to determine if other parts of the government had been affected by what looked to be one of the most sophisticated, and perhaps among the largest, attacks on federal systems in the past five years. Several said national security-related agencies were also targeted, though it was not clear whether the systems contained highly classified material.

The Trump administration said little in public about the hack, which suggested that while the government was worried about Russian intervention in the 2020 election, key agencies working for the administration — and unrelated to the election — were actually the subject of a sophisticated attack that they were unaware of until recent weeks.

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Russian Hackers Broke Into Federal Agencies, U.S. Officials Suspect
In one of the most sophisticated and perhaps largest hacks in more than five years, email systems were breached at the Treasury and Commerce Departments. Other breaches are under investigation.

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By David E. Sanger
Published Dec. 13, 2020
Updated Dec. 21, 2020
The Trump administration acknowledged on Sunday that hackers acting on behalf of a foreign government — almost certainly a Russian intelligence agency, according to federal and private experts — broke into a range of key government networks, including in the Treasury and Commerce Departments, and had free access to their email systems.

Officials said a hunt was on to determine if other parts of the government had been affected by what looked to be one of the most sophisticated, and perhaps among the largest, attacks on federal systems in the past five years. Several said national security-related agencies were also targeted, though it was not clear whether the systems contained highly classified material.

The Trump administration said little in public about the hack, which suggested that while the government was worried about Russian intervention in the 2020 election, key agencies working for the administration — and unrelated to the election — were actually the subject of a sophisticated attack that they were unaware of until recent weeks.

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QUOTE]Originally posted by Adams, Harold
And again I say if you believe Russian hackers hacked our system "again" then I feel for your inability to understand when your sheepness has had the wool pulled over your eyes. Just because it's in print doesn't make it so ....geesh ....if you have no thought process of your own then we can not have a conversation....i say good day.....


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best, you have to be able to remember Obama, if you want to talk politics quit copying cnn crap and let’s talk politics, I will start, since that incompetent dunce started his first term of office I went from 6 figure a year salary to 60000 in only 8 years do7ng the same job. Since he has been out I have climbed back to 85000 a year. Now for obama care, I had a perfect insurance, I paid for it but it was the best I had since 1991. When obama care got started my employer doubled my monthly pay and doubled my co pay. Because my insurance was better than obama care they put a Cadillac tax on my employer if it didn’t get closer to equal obama care. He also started the racism in this country, yes I said it, he started it, I would be safe to say that not an American alive today has a slave but the dumbacrats tend to thank slavery still exists. I have black friends that think this burning down cities and destroying businesses is the most ridiculous thing that the democrats have ever came up with. But they support it, they have even been on the media saying that it is a myth. You can decide if it’s a myth or not.now since I told you why I support trump, you tell me why you support the dumbacrats.

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President Trump's reluctance to name and shame Russia for the SolarWinds cyberattack will hamper companies and government agencies as they begin the long and daunting job of assessing and repairing the hack's damage.

Why it matters: Experts say Russia's fingerprints are all over the attack, but the president's dissent will hobble any U.S. response — at least until Jan. 20.

Catch up quick: Security officials and experts share a broad consensus that the "Cozy Bear" group, also known as APT29, overseen by Russia's SVR intelligence service, was responsible for the hack.

The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) described the attackers as "a patient, well-resourced, and focused adversary that has sustained long duration activity on victim networks."
White House officials had readied a statement Friday calling Russia "the main actor" in the attack, but were ordered not to release it, the Associated Press reports.

Around the same time, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said in an interview that Russia is "pretty clearly" behind the attack, which hit the State Department, among many other agencies and businesses.
Saturday, Trump tweeted that the extent of the attack was being overplayed by the media and that others could be responsible for the attack, perhaps China.
Between the lines: Some security experts fear the president's position will transform what should be a unified government response to a hostile act by a foreign power into yet another personal loyalty test.

Last month Trump fired CISA director Christopher Krebs after Krebs affirmed that the 2020 election had been secure.
Anything involving "Russia, Russia, Russia" (as Trump put it in his tweet) has been a sore point for the president since Russia's hacks during the 2016 election became the foundation for years of investigations into his administration's relationship with Moscow.
Yes, but: Leaders from both parties, including Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), have called for holding Russia accountable and launching a significant response.

President-elect Joe Biden said in a statement: "I will not stand idly by in the face of cyber assaults on our nation."
Incoming White House chief of staff Ron Klain told CBS' "Face the Nation" that the new administration's response to an "attack like this" would go beyond sanctions and include steps "to degrade the capacity of foreign actors to repeat this sort of attack."
With all this going on, the administration is also pushing a plan to separate the leadership of the Cyber Command from the National Security Agency, according to a story in Defense One.

The "dual hat" arrangement has long been under review, but the SolarWinds crisis seems a strange moment to start a big reorg in the world of cyber defense.
The New York Times reports some observers are questioning the timing and whether the move is "retribution" against Gen. Paul Nakasone, who now runs both agencies.
Breaking: Private-sector victims of the hack include Cisco, Intel, Nvidia, Deloitte, VMware and Belkin, according to the Wall Street Journal, which identified infected systems at those firms.

Each company told the Journal they'd found no evidence of actual harm from the intrusions.
How it worked: Microsoft, in a fascinating weekend post, provided details of how the hackers hid their break-in, using a software update for SolarWinds' Orion network management platform to gain access to thousands of institutions' systems.

"The threat actors were savvy enough to avoid give-away terminology like 'backdoor', 'keylogger,' etc.," the Microsoft post says. Instead, they gave their tampered code an innocuous name — "OrionImprovementBusinessLayer" — that would fit right into a marketing brochure.
The attack's crucial, door-opening exploit was a small chunk of "poisoned code" (as Microsoft dubbed it) all of five lines long, or roughly 160 characters.
This could well be the most damage per character yet achieved in the short history of cyber warfare.

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Steve LeVine
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Aug 22, 2019 - World
Russian interference, 2020
Russian interference, 2020
Illustration: Aïda Amer/Axios

Americans are at each other's throats. Politically, socially and culturally, we suspect each other's motives and plain sanity. So certain are we of the other's intent to do the nation harm, some of us have joined political gangs and assaulted one another, resulting in at least 1 death.

Which is to say: Americans have played into Russian President Vladimir Putin's hands — again. It is assumed he can attack next year's elections if he so chooses, but since no outsider knows exactly how, what comes next is one of the great underlying mystery-dramas of the 2020 election campaign.

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Mike Allen
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Dec 24, 2020 - Politics & Policy
Biden says Russian-linked cyberattack started "last year"
Biden says Russian-linked cyberattack started "last year"
President-elect Biden speaks Tuesday. Photo: Alex Edelman/AFP via Getty Images

President-elect Biden said during his remarks in Wilmington on Tuesday that the Russia-tied cyberattack, which formerly was known to go back to as early as March, began "at least last year."

Why it matters: An administration source verified the earlier breach date — compounding the work and expense involved in rooting out the intruders, discovering what was lost and fixing for the future.

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Zach Dorfman of the Aspen Institute
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Aug 5, 2020 - Politics & Policy
When U.S. politicians exploit foreign disinformation
When U.S. politicians exploit foreign disinformation
Illustration: Aïda Amer/Axios

U.S. political actors will keep weaponizing the impact of widespread foreign disinformation campaigns on American elections, making these operations that much more effective and attractive to Russia, China, Iran or other countries backing them.

Why it matters: Hostile powers’ disinformation campaigns aim to destabilize the U.S., and each time a domestic politician embraces them, it demonstrates that they work!

Trumps name is all over this hack and will be implicated many feel.


QUOTE]Originally posted by michael cline
best, you have to be able to remember Obama, if you want to talk politics quit copying cnn crap and let’s talk politics, I will start, since that incompetent dunce started his first term of office I went from 6 figure a year salary to 60000 in only 8 years do7ng the same job. Since he has been out I have climbed back to 85000 a year. Now for obama care, I had a perfect insurance, I paid for it but it was the best I had since 1991. When obama care got started my employer doubled my monthly pay and doubled my co pay. Because my insurance was better than obama care they put a Cadillac tax on my employer if it didn’t get closer to equal obama care. He also started the racism in this country, yes I said it, he started it, I would be safe to say that not an American alive today has a slave but the dumbacrats tend to thank slavery still exists. I have black friends that think this burning down cities and destroying businesses is the most ridiculous thing that the democrats have ever came up with. But they support it, they have even been on the media saying that it is a myth. You can decide if it’s a myth or not.now since I told you why I support trump, you tell me why you support the dumbacrats. [/QUOTE]

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I didn’t think you could tell me something good about your party without copying some bunch of junk. I can tell by the way you have posted from the start of this thread you are probably on SSI or some other form of a fixed income. Slow in the upstairs dept. The republicans won’t force you to give your SSI check up. Although I would like to see them put people like you on the border building the big wall.

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I heard through the grapevines that President Trump was gonna ask for 25million to help him fight the dominion scandal. Lol. That’s my president.

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Fifty percent of Americans now predict history will judge him as a "failed" president.

The survey, taken in the waning weeks of his administration, shows the risks of actions he is contemplating on his way out the door. Americans overwhelmingly say issuing a preemptive pardon for himself would be an abuse of presidential power, and an even bigger majority, including most Republicans, say he should attend President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration to demonstrate the peaceful transfer of power.

Trump hasn't announced whether he will attend the inauguration Jan. 20, and White House officials say he has been weighing pardons for himself and family members. On Tuesday, he issued 20 politically charged pardons and commutations, with more expected to follow. Much of his energy since the Nov. 3 election has been spent seeking ways to overturn the results, making allegations of widespread fraud.

President Donald Trump waves as he boards Air Force One at Andrews Air Force Base, Maryland, Wednesday, Dec. 23, 2020. Trump is traveling to his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida.
President Donald Trump waves as he boards Air Force One at Andrews Air Force Base, Maryland, Wednesday, Dec. 23, 2020. Trump is traveling to his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida.
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"The last four years have been lacking in compassion and empathy, lacking in anything other than advancing the personal interests of President Trump and his friends and allies and family," said Babette Salus, 60, a retired attorney and Biden voter from Springfield, Illinois, who was among those surveyed. "There have probably been worse presidents, (but) I'm not sure there has been a worse one in my lifetime."


The poll of 1,000 registered voters Dec. 16-20 has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

Paleologos on the Poll: A 'cult president'? Breaking down Trump's support

Asked how history would judge Trump's presidency, 16% predict he will be seen as a great president, 13% as a good president, 16% as a fair president, and 50% as a failed president. Five percent are undecided.

"I'll tell you what, 50 years out, Trump will be much better regarded than he is at the current time," said David Cheff, 73, a Trump voter from Jacksonville, Florida. With the passage of time, he said, "Trump will look decent, for sure."

"He had half the people loving him and half the people wanting him dead," said Arsh Ganjoo, 19, a Biden voter from Great Falls, Virginia, who is a sophomore at the University of Texas. "I think he will be definitely taught in history classes and regarded as more of an anomaly rather than, you know, a great president."


Trump's ratings are more sharply negative than the ones Barack Obama, himself a controversial president, received when he left office four years ago. Then, a USA TODAY/Suffolk Poll found that half of Americans predicted history would view Obama in a positive light, with 18% calling him a great president and 32% a good one. Twenty-three percent called him a failed president.

Exclusive: Americans' readiness to take the COVID-19 vaccine jumps after the start of shots

Trump continues to hold a powerful position among Republicans, however.

While Americans by an overwhelming 70%-26% say it is time for Trump to concede the election now that the Electoral College has voted, Republicans by double digits, 57%-37%, say he shouldn't.

Indeed, most Republicans are ready to vote for Trump again. If he is the party's nominee in 2024, 71% of Republicans say they would support him, and another 16% say they would consider it. Just 10% say they wouldn't.

That gives Trump the standing to dominate the GOP's direction in a way no losing presidential nominee has done in modern times.


But Republicans aren't convinced Trump, in the end, will run again. While 48% predict he will be the party's nominee in four years, 35% say he won't.

Losing in court but persuasive to some
Trump's attacks on the election have failed in court but succeeded in sowing doubts about the legitimacy of Biden's presidency, even though Republican and Democratic officials alike in battleground states have declared that the election was conducted fairly and honestly.

By 62%-37%, Americans believe Biden was legitimately elected president. The fact that more than a third of the electorate – including 78% of Republicans – say he didn't legitimately win the office looms as a significant political hurdle, particularly for a president who will take office during a deadly pandemic and an economy in upheaval.

"Never ever, ever happened," Allen Matthews, 42, a tech engineer and a political independent from Lone Tree, Colorado, said of Biden's election. He repeated unfounded allegations, promoted by Trump but debunked by independent fact-checkers, that Biden was recorded as scoring nearly 100% of the vote in some battleground counties. "There's absolutely no way that's possible," he said. "So, no, I don't believe it was legitimate at all."

The reason for the numbers th St got out and voted Democratic on the presidency was Trump was a failure, Republicans must get over thisdisaster.By the wsy

QUOTE]Originally posted by michael cline
I didn’t think you could tell me something good about your party without copying some bunch of junk. I can tell by the way you have posted from the start of this thread you are probably on SSI or some other form of a fixed income. Slow in the upstairs dept. The republicans won’t force you to give your SSI check up. Although I would like to see them put people like you on the border building the big wall. [/QUOTE]

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Your posts are of ignorance, that’s why me along with a lot of others feel you are on a monthly fixed SSI check, by your thinking. TRUMP TRAIN.

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Stay on track please. If your the poorly educated they speak of about Trump supporters get someone to read to you. Plus your Igorance will amaze many.


Fifty percent of Americans now predict history will judge him as a "failed" president.

The survey, taken in the waning weeks of his administration, shows the risks of actions he is contemplating on his way out the door. Americans overwhelmingly say issuing a preemptive pardon for himself would be an abuse of presidential power, and an even bigger majority, including most Republicans, say he should attend President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration to demonstrate the peaceful transfer of power.

Trump hasn't announced whether he will attend the inauguration Jan. 20, and White House officials say he has been weighing pardons for himself and family members. On Tuesday, he issued 20 politically charged pardons and commutations, with more expected to follow. Much of his energy since the Nov. 3 election has been spent seeking ways to overturn the results, making allegations of widespread fraud.

President Donald Trump waves as he boards Air Force One at Andrews Air Force Base, Maryland, Wednesday, Dec. 23, 2020. Trump is traveling to his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida.
President Donald Trump waves as he boards Air Force One at Andrews Air Force Base, Maryland, Wednesday, Dec. 23, 2020. Trump is traveling to his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida.
PATRICK SEMANSKY, AP
"The last four years have been lacking in compassion and empathy, lacking in anything other than advancing the personal interests of President Trump and his friends and allies and family," said Babette Salus, 60, a retired attorney and Biden voter from Springfield, Illinois, who was among those surveyed. "There have probably been worse presidents, (but) I'm not sure there has been a worse one in my lifetime."


The poll of 1,000 registered voters Dec. 16-20 has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

Paleologos on the Poll: A 'cult president'? Breaking down Trump's support

Asked how history would judge Trump's presidency, 16% predict he will be seen as a great president, 13% as a good president, 16% as a fair president, and 50% as a failed president. Five percent are undecided.

"I'll tell you what, 50 years out, Trump will be much better regarded than he is at the current time," said David Cheff, 73, a Trump voter from Jacksonville, Florida. With the passage of time, he said, "Trump will look decent, for sure."

"He had half the people loving him and half the people wanting him dead," said Arsh Ganjoo, 19, a Biden voter from Great Falls, Virginia, who is a sophomore at the University of Texas. "I think he will be definitely taught in history classes and regarded as more of an anomaly rather than, you know, a great president."


Trump's ratings are more sharply negative than the ones Barack Obama, himself a controversial president, received when he left office four years ago. Then, a USA TODAY/Suffolk Poll found that half of Americans predicted history would view Obama in a positive light, with 18% calling him a great president and 32% a good one. Twenty-three percent called him a failed president.

Exclusive: Americans' readiness to take the COVID-19 vaccine jumps after the start of shots

Trump continues to hold a powerful position among Republicans, however.

While Americans by an overwhelming 70%-26% say it is time for Trump to concede the election now that the Electoral College has voted, Republicans by double digits, 57%-37%, say he shouldn't.

Indeed, most Republicans are ready to vote for Trump again. If he is the party's nominee in 2024, 71% of Republicans say they would support him, and another 16% say they would consider it. Just 10% say they wouldn't.

That gives Trump the standing to dominate the GOP's direction in a way no losing presidential nominee has done in modern times.


But Republicans aren't convinced Trump, in the end, will run again. While 48% predict he will be the party's nominee in four years, 35% say he won't.

Losing in court but persuasive to some
Trump's attacks on the election have failed in court but succeeded in sowing doubts about the legitimacy of Biden's presidency, even though Republican and Democratic officials alike in battleground states have declared that the election was conducted fairly and honestly.

By 62%-37%, Americans believe Biden was legitimately elected president. The fact that more than a third of the electorate – including 78% of Republicans – say he didn't legitimately win the office looms as a significant political hurdle, particularly for a president who will take office during a deadly pandemic and an economy in upheaval.

"Never ever, ever happened," Allen Matthews, 42, a tech engineer and a political independent from Lone Tree, Colorado, said of Biden's election. He repeated unfounded allegations, promoted by Trump but debunked by independent fact-checkers, that Biden was recorded as scoring nearly 100% of the vote in some battleground counties. "There's absolutely no way that's possible," he said. "So, no, I don't believe it was legitimate at all."



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Stay on track please. I know it is hard for Repukes by you need to try. Learning to read is just part of it, then you must comphrend what you have read. Maybe New Years resolution should have been to learn to read? But them there is always those a little slow!

Fifty percent of Americans now predict history will judge him as a "failed" president.

The survey, taken in the waning weeks of his administration, shows the risks of actions he is contemplating on his way out the door. Americans overwhelmingly say issuing a preemptive pardon for himself would be an abuse of presidential power, and an even bigger majority, including most Republicans, say he should attend President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration to demonstrate the peaceful transfer of power.

Trump hasn't announced whether he will attend the inauguration Jan. 20, and White House officials say he has been weighing pardons for himself and family members. On Tuesday, he issued 20 politically charged pardons and commutations, with more expected to follow. Much of his energy since the Nov. 3 election has been spent seeking ways to overturn the results, making allegations of widespread fraud.

President Donald Trump waves as he boards Air Force One at Andrews Air Force Base, Maryland, Wednesday, Dec. 23, 2020. Trump is traveling to his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida.
President Donald Trump waves as he boards Air Force One at Andrews Air Force Base, Maryland, Wednesday, Dec. 23, 2020. Trump is traveling to his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida.
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"The last four years have been lacking in compassion and empathy, lacking in anything other than advancing the personal interests of President Trump and his friends and allies and family," said Babette Salus, 60, a retired attorney and Biden voter from Springfield, Illinois, who was among those surveyed. "There have probably been worse presidents, (but) I'm not sure there has been a worse one in my lifetime."


The poll of 1,000 registered voters Dec. 16-20 has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

Paleologos on the Poll: A 'cult president'? Breaking down Trump's support

Asked how history would judge Trump's presidency, 16% predict he will be seen as a great president, 13% as a good president, 16% as a fair president, and 50% as a failed president. Five percent are undecided.

"I'll tell you what, 50 years out, Trump will be much better regarded than he is at the current time," said David Cheff, 73, a Trump voter from Jacksonville, Florida. With the passage of time, he said, "Trump will look decent, for sure."

"He had half the people loving him and half the people wanting him dead," said Arsh Ganjoo, 19, a Biden voter from Great Falls, Virginia, who is a sophomore at the University of Texas. "I think he will be definitely taught in history classes and regarded as more of an anomaly rather than, you know, a great president."


Trump's ratings are more sharply negative than the ones Barack Obama, himself a controversial president, received when he left office four years ago. Then, a USA TODAY/Suffolk Poll found that half of Americans predicted history would view Obama in a positive light, with 18% calling him a great president and 32% a good one. Twenty-three percent called him a failed president.

Exclusive: Americans' readiness to take the COVID-19 vaccine jumps after the start of shots

Trump continues to hold a powerful position among Republicans, however.

While Americans by an overwhelming 70%-26% say it is time for Trump to concede the election now that the Electoral College has voted, Republicans by double digits, 57%-37%, say he shouldn't.

Indeed, most Republicans are ready to vote for Trump again. If he is the party's nominee in 2024, 71% of Republicans say they would support him, and another 16% say they would consider it. Just 10% say they wouldn't.

That gives Trump the standing to dominate the GOP's direction in a way no losing presidential nominee has done in modern times.


But Republicans aren't convinced Trump, in the end, will run again. While 48% predict he will be the party's nominee in four years, 35% say he won't.

Losing in court but persuasive to some
Trump's attacks on the election have failed in court but succeeded in sowing doubts about the legitimacy of Biden's presidency, even though Republican and Democratic officials alike in battleground states have declared that the election was conducted fairly and honestly.

By 62%-37%, Americans believe Biden was legitimately elected president. The fact that more than a third of the electorate – including 78% of Republicans – say he didn't legitimately win the office looms as a significant political hurdle, particularly for a president who will take office during a deadly pandemic and an economy in upheaval.

"Never ever, ever happened," Allen Matthews, 42, a tech engineer and a political independent from Lone Tree, Colorado, said of Biden's election. He repeated unfounded allegations, promoted by Trump but debunked by independent fact-checkers, that Biden was recorded as scoring nearly 100% of the vote in some battleground counties. "There's absolutely no way that's possible," he said. "So, no, I don't believe it was legitimate at all."


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Trump feels no pressure to be President while Americans suffer at Christmas
Analysis by Kevin Liptak, CNN
Updated 12:46 PM EST, Fri December 25, 2020

Washington(CNN)For Christmas this year, Washington is giving the country more pain.

Perhaps it is fitting that in the worst year in memory, the surprise prospect of a government shutdown and delayed economic relief hangs over holiday celebrations already made less merry by the pandemic.

Maybe nothing better could be expected in a year that saw denial and delusion, led by President Donald Trump, presage a wave of illness and death coupled with evictions, bankruptcies, hunger and ruined livelihoods.


But after enduring so much, Americans can hardly be blamed for feeling outrage at yet another indignity at the hand of their leaders.

The joint Covid relief package and government funding bill that Trump has lambasted arrived at Mar-a-Lago Friday after being flown down a day earlier. Yet Trump, who arrived at his namesake golf course just before 10 a.m. local time, has offered no clues as to whether he'll sign it.

As Trump plays rounds of golf in Florida and pardons corrupt loyalists, and as congressional leaders line up for the first doses of a coronavirus vaccine, there is scant evidence the pressing needs of the country will be addressed in anything resembling a timely fashion.

House Republicans on Thursday rejected an attempt by Democrats to pass a bill that included $2,000 direct payments to Americans -- precisely the figure Trump demanded in a random video he tweeted this week rejecting a bill with $600 payments that had passed overwhelmingly with the support of his administration.

In the Republican-controlled Senate, there does not appear to be enough support for a bill with $2,000 checks. Trump is engaged in open hostility with the chamber's GOP leaders because they have acknowledged the reality that he lost the election, a dispute he acknowledged on Twitter after returning to Mar-a-Lago from his golf course on Christmas Eve Day.

"At a meeting in Florida today, everyone was asking why aren't the Republicans up in arms & fighting over the fact that the Democrats stole the rigged presidential election?" he asked, using the term "meeting" somewhat freely. "Especially in the Senate, they said, where you helped 8 Senators win their races. How quickly they forget!"

The bill Trump demanded Congress change was flown to him in Florida on Thursday afternoon but he offered no more clarity on what he would do with it. Government funding will lapse on Monday unless Trump signs the package or Congress passes another stopgap measure; they have already passed four such fixes this month alone.

That no one seems to know what Trump wants -- if he even knows himself -- has only fueled in the impression the country is careering further into chaos at exactly the moment it is least welcome.

"I have no idea what he plans to do," Sen. Roy Blunt, a Republican who is usually aligned with the President, said on Thursday.

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Holiday weeks to test Congress' willingness to confront the President
Holiday weeks to test Congress' willingness to confront the President
In the past, when the government was about to shut down around Christmas, presidents and lawmakers stayed behind in Washington to figure it out. Even Trump skipped his Florida vacation two years ago as agencies shuttered.

So, too, have the country's leaders typically attempted some form of in-the-trenches solidarity with their constituents when the going gets tough -- like, for example, when health experts advise against holiday travel and gatherings with family.


But conventional practices have mostly disappeared in the four years Trump has been president. And no one really thinks twice anymore when Trump -- despite claims by the White House that his schedule is packed with phone calls and meetings -- pays another visit to one of his golf clubs while millions of Americans go hungry at Christmas.

Having already forced suffering Americans to wait months for more economic relief from the ravages of the coronavirus, it does not appear elected officials will figure out how to move forward anytime soon.

"We were assured that the President would sign the bill," Blunt told reporters Thursday, casually suggesting the President may not understand what is in it -- something of an understatement given the President's conflation of the Covid stimulus and government funding packages, and his fury over spending figures he proposed himself in his budget this year.

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Trump puts on show of erratic behavior in final days
As Republicans work on sorting out what Trump wants, more than 12 million laid-off Americans could lose their unemployment benefits after this weekend, back rent will be due January 1 for millions of tenants and states could lose any unspent funds from the $150 billion that Congress provided earlier this year to state and local governments to help them cover coronavirus-related expenses.

It has left millions of Americans facing deep uncertainty at the end of a difficult year.

"I think that people are scared," said Karen Pozna, the communications director at the Greater Cleveland Food Bank, on CNN. "You know, they're scared, there's been so many people who have lost their jobs or had to take pay cuts. The need was great before the pandemic. It's continuing now. And I see it continuing well into the new year."

Trump has made virtually no mention of the pandemic's toll for weeks; in a video he taped alongside the first lady for Christmas, he left the empathy to his wife while he declared the rollout of recently authorized vaccines "a Christmas miracle," though the vast majority of Americans won't have access to shots for months.

Lawmakers say they are feeling heat from their constituents to get something done, pressure Trump doesn't appear to share.

"I did a town hall last night that had people crying, people terrified of what is going to happen," Rep. Debbie Dingell, D-Michigan, said on Thursday after Democrats' measure failed.

"The President -- when we finally thought that we'd be able to give people hope -- that's what people need, hope -- and be able to begin to continue to work on this in January, he doesn't give a **** about people," she said. "He threw more fear -- he threw kerosene on a terror fire."

It wasn't only Democrats who were frustrated.

"If he thinks going on Twitter and trashing the bill his team negotiated and we supported on his behalf is going to bring more people to his side in this election fiasco, I hope he's wrong, though I guess we'll see," Rep. Anthony Gonzalez, R-Ohio, tweeted on Wednesday.

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Frustrated Trump met with Pence before holiday break
Frustrated Trump met with Pence before holiday break
In the end, Trump himself may not know what his end goals are beyond throwing more gasoline into a system he appears intent on watching burn as he leaves office. Trump remains furious that Republicans -- including those who helped negotiate the legislation he rejected -- aren't supporting him in his bid to overturn the election.

In Florida, Trump is often surrounded by more willing hangers-on who, in the past, have encouraged his destructive impulses. His personal attorney Rudy Giuliani flew with him to Florida aboard Air Force One on Wednesday.

CNN reported on Thursday that Trump's latest fixation is the January 6 certification of the Electoral College count for Joe Biden, an occasion he hopes will provide an opening for his supporters to challenge the results.

As he was flying to Florida for his vacation, Trump retweeted a call from one of his supporters for Vice President Mike Pence to refuse to ratify the Electoral College results.

Trump has told people recently that Pence isn't doing enough to fight for him as his presidency ends, and has recently taken an interest in Pence's traditional role during the certification. As president of the Senate, Pence presides over the proceedings.

Sources say Trump in recent days has brought the matter up to the vice president and has been "confused" as to why Pence can't overturn the results of the election on January 6. Pence and White House aides have tried to explain to him that his role his more of a formality and he cannot unilaterally reject the electoral college votes.

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Donald Trump lashed out at his own country on Saturday morning, calling the United States a third world country because he lost the election to Joe Biden.

Trump, citing a “young military man working in Afghanistan,” said elections in the middle eastern country are “far more secure and much better than the USA’s 2020 Election.”

“Fake President!” Trump whined, referring to Biden, who beat him by millions of votes.


In short, Trump is attacking the country he signed up to lead, all because the voters fired him after a single, failed term in the White House.

As Aaron Rupar of Vox pointed out, “It is not normal for the President of the United States to fabricate anecdotes while comparing the country he leads unfavorably with third world nations.”

Trump’s post-Christmas tantrum targeted SCOTUS, DOJ, FBI and GOP lawmakers
It wouldn’t be a Trump Twitter tantrum if he didn’t unleash a fire hose of insults on anyone and everyone in his proximity.

Throughout the morning on Saturday, the outgoing president targeted the conservative Supreme Court, the Justice Department, the FBI, the media, and Republican lawmakers, including Sen. Mitch McConnell.


With millions of Americans jobless, struggling to pay rent and keep food on the table, Donald Trump is cooped up at Mar-a-Lago insulting the country he’s supposed to be leading.

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President Donald Trump claims to oppose the $900 COVID-19 stimulus bill because it's wasteful, and the direct payment checks to ordinary Americans aren't large enough.

But there may be another reason far closer to Trump's heart that underlies the attack — a desire for revenge against a Republican Party that he feels has betrayed him in his impossible bid to overturn the result of the presidential election.

The president's attack on the bill — made via a video posted to Twitter on Tuesday — has opened up a rift between congressional Republicans and the White House, with House Republicans on Thursday blocking a Democratic move to incorporate the $2,000 checks demanded by Trump.

"The Trump tantrum has nothing to do with check size or spending — he was fully aware of the negotiations carried out in his behalf by [chief of staff Mark] Meadows and [Treasury Secretary Steven] Mnuchin and never said peep," an unnamed GOP official told CNN's Jake Tapper, after Trump attacked the bill.


"When it comes to venting rage and seeking revenge vs. millions losing unemployment the day after Christmas and millions losing apartments and millions of small businesses going under, there is no contest: his ego always comes first."

Politico's Playbook PM newsletter also reported on Wednesday speculation among people close to Trump, as well as lawmakers, that "this entire tantrum is because Republicans are abandoning him on the Electoral College vote and acknowledging that his presidency is over."

According to The Washington Post, the White House was fielding furious calls from Republicans on Wednesday, as Trump left to spend the Christmas holidays in his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.

They wanted to know why administration officials told them that the president supported the bill and asked them to vote for it, only to be abandoned, The Post said.


Trump took scant interest in the stimulus bill while it was being negotiated, as he pursued his bogus voter-fraud claims. Top administration officials told Republican lawmakers during the negotiations that the president backed the position of the GOP's congressional leadership, and encouraged them to vote for the bill.

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) speaks as House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) U.S. President Donald Trump listen during a signing ceremony for H.R. 748, the CARES Act in the Oval Office of the White House on March 27, 2020 in Washington, DC. Erin Schaff-Pool/Getty Images
Trump's Tuesday video, where he threatened to blow up the bill, took Republicans by surprise.

According to The Post, Trump has been complaining that McConnell hasn't been doing enough to help him in his bid to overturn the election. McConnell and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy were blindsided by Trump's Tuesday night video, according to the report.

It's not the first time this week Trump has taken action seemingly designed to damage Republican leadership, with the president savaging Sen. Mitch McConnell in an email to Republicans on Monday after the Senate majority leader acknowledged Biden's status as president-elect last week.


An advisor to the president told Axios that Trump is desperate to cling onto attention as Biden's inauguration draws closer, and is seeking to retain his hold over the GOP after he loses power by punishing Republicans he deems disloyal.

Earlier this week Axios also reported that Trump was getting angry with top officials, including Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who he thinks isn't fighting hard enough to support his voter-fraud claims.

Republican credibility on stimulus measures is not the only issue at stake for the party following the president's shock attack, with the party facing crucial elections for control of the Senate in the Georgia runoff elections on January 5.

The failure of the congressional GOP and White House to work together to push through a bill could damage the party's candidates, Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue.


Read more: EXCLUSIVE: A deputy to Eric Trump helped his family build a campaign shell company to protect the president from grift. But the secretive operation morphed into a mystery — even for top Trump campaign staffers.

What now for the stimulus bill?
The future of the stimulus bill is unclear.

If the bill does not pass, millions of unemployed Americans will lose federal unemployment assistance on December 26, while a moratorium on evictions included in the bill will not come into effect, rendering many people homeless.

If Congress decides to negotiate Trump's demands for the $2,000 stimulus checks — as top Democrats and progressive lawmakers have suggested — it could take days to negotiate and approve them.


Some Republicans who for weeks opposed higher direct payments are now faced with the uncomfortable prospect of voting against their president if a Democrat-sponsored bill incorporating the demand makes it to the Senate floor.

Trump has ten days to decide whether to sign the stimulus package into law or veto it by sending it back to Congress unsigned.

Trump in the White House on December 7, 2020. Photo by SAUL LOEB/AFP via Getty Images
Trump has not said whether he intends to veto the stimulus package, but he has the power to do so. If he takes this step, the whole process could be pushed back for weeks.

If he delays making a decision, it could also have the same effect as a veto: as Fox News' Chad Pergram tweeted, a presidential veto automatically comes into effect after the January 3 end of the congressional session if Trump doesn't make a decision.


Congress could still override a potential Trump veto, as the stimulus bill had enough votes in the House and Senate on Monday night to surpass the two-thirds majority needed to override a presidential veto.

However, if and when lawmakers have to vote to override a veto, many Republicans would face the damaging position of defying their own president, and the unity and credibility of the GOP will likely be damaged.

Another key concern is the December 28 deadline when stopgap government funding — which was passed to allow the stimulus bill to be negotiated — will expire.

It means that large sections of the US government could begin to close as the coronavirus pandemic tears through the country and economic recovery falters.

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Transition Highlights: Trump’s Fierce Criticism of Stimulus Bill Leaves Republicans Torn
Last Updated Dec. 24, 2020

President Trump’s veto of a military bill that Congress passed by wide margins set the stage for the first veto override of his term. President-elect Joe Biden named his pick for education secretary.

This briefing has ended.

Here’s what you need to know:
‘This bill has been tainted’: Trump’s criticism sends Republicans scrambling for a path forward on virus relief.
Loeffler and Perdue voted for a pandemic bill that Trump, their patron, just trashed. It’s awkward.
Trump vetoes a military bill that Congress passed with veto-proof majorities.
Biden introduces his nominee for education secretary, Miguel Cardona.
In threatening to blow up the stimulus aid bill, Trump stages a surprising but entirely predictable disruption.
Trump’s recent behavior sets the stage for an anxious four weeks.
Pfizer and the U.S. reach an agreement on additional vaccine doses.
Rental protections, nursing home funding, food stamps: Here’s what’s included in the stimulus bill.
In an unusual move, a judge temporarily blocked a Trump administration drilling project.

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Michael Cohen, President Trump’s former personal attorney, is speaking out about the legal issues Trump could face after leaving the White House.

“It has to do with his finances, it has to do with his tax returns, it has to do with his properties, it has to do with the personal financial statements that he had made and provided in order to obtain loans,” Cohen said on CBSN Thursday.

A slew of investigations could shroud Trump after January when he leaves office, including congressional inquiries and probes by the Attorney General of New York and Washington, D.C. and the Manhattan district attorney, per CBS News.

Read More: Michael Cohen says Trump’s dislike of Obama ‘purely racial’

Cohen claims he was questioned by investigators and that they are “well-prepared” to “move relatively quickly” with a potential case against Trump.


“I do believe that there is a mounting amount of evidence that they will be prosecuting upon,” Cohen said. “Some of it of course is civil, and other parts of it are criminal.”

Cohen pled guilty in 2018 to financial charges and lying to Congress. He was sentenced to three years in federal prison, but is currently serving his remaining time under house arrest due to the COVID-19 pandemic, theGrio previously reported.

“I know what it is that they’re looking for” said Cohen of the probe into Trump’s finances, claiming there is a “multitude of evidence” stacked up against the president.

“What he is right now is very, very nervous and he is very scared because in 27 days he knows that Joe Biden is going to be sworn in, and that’s when there’s going to be a plethora of litigation and subpoenas that are going to be flying around that he cannot control anymore,” Cohen explained.

Read More: Military on alert over Trump’s martial law threat: ‘The craziness is unprecedented’

Cohen worked as Trump’s “fixer’ for years until he started to realize that he was “being used by Trump and the administration as his scapegoat,” he said on CBSN.

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Several of Trump’s associates received a presidential pardon this week, but Cohen was not on the list — and he wasn’t expecting his crimes to be forgiven by Trump following their fallout.

“I truly believe that those who were accepting Trump’s filth will have the stench of corruption following their name and their family’s names for decades to come,” he said. “It’s just another disgraceful Trump act.”

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How Trump ruined Americans' mental health, Trumpism is a mental disorder.
Alison Medley | on December 7, 2020


The aftermath of the 2020 election has been chaotic and unprecedented, with President Donald Trump refusing to concede to President-elect Joe Biden and launching a nationwide legal battle challenging the election results.

Psychiatrist and Yale University professor Bandy X. Lee believes what's truly at stake now is the mental health of Americans who have witnessed Trump's erratic behavior for four years. Lee is the editor of "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President." Trump has a very serious mental disorder.


She warned that Americans should "never underestimate Trump" and his volatility following his electoral defeat. In an interview with Chron, Lee spelled out the risks and discussed how Americans can heal after this tumultuous term.

Chron: In the days since the election, there's been notable chaos in the White House, with President Trump firing respected individuals and refusing to concede. What do you think this is doing to the mental health of Americans?
Lee: It's been greatly damaging. If you have any intact reality testing, you're going to be horrified and highly anxious, if not afraid for your life. This presidency itself had brought stress levels and anxiety levels to record levels, even before all the chaos. People are going to be suffering greatly and traumatized after this presidency.

What do you think the election loss will do to those who supported President Trump?


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After the election turmoil and a tumultuous four years under President Donald Trump, psychiatrist Bandy X. Lee advises that it's important for Americans to reconnect with the things they will rejuvenate and empower them.

They are going to be the most vulnerable. We know how some of them reject facts and reality, even currently. We know how painful it is for some of them to face reality. A fair percentage will experience the trauma after this presidency. If there were another President Trump to appear, they would be vulnerable to attaching to him, as to avoid facing reality. A lot of them will be simply clinging to the delusions. They cannot face letting go of their wishful thinking and their image of a savior or rescuer would be shattered. The more harmed they are, the more difficult it becomes to accept even the possibility that he could be harming them. There's a psychological collusion that's happening. His followers in particular were primed for someone with similar developmental defects to come around and entice them. There's a kind of narcissistic symbiosis that happens between him and his followers.

In your book, Trump is compared to an abuser who's the head of the household and the American public to the victim. How should Americans begin to heal after this term?
The reason why I wrote the book was to give people tools to deal with the president. The first thing is to set limits on what he can do to you, set limits for yourself — give time away from the news, from engaging what is happening. Doing the things that you love and enjoy and reconnecting with your own life — this can be rejuvenating and empowering. We cannot afford to lose ourselves because of his intimidation and oppression. We have to cultivate our sense of reality, our sense of self and values, and to prepare ourselves to act when needed.

Were you surprised that even after the volatility of four years, so many people voted for him again?
We had 70-plus million people voting for him. It's rather surprising to me that [Democrats] were able to eke out a victory, given how powerful the psychological factors are, the human mind is. I wouldn't be so quick to judge that it would go one way or another. [Trump] is extraordinarily talented at reshaping things to his favor. If you looked at the legal avenues, it doesn't look like he has a possibility there. Could he launch a war or launch nuclear weapons in a way that would put us in such chaos and we no longer looked at electoral votes, yes he could.

Do you think he believes he won?

Deep down, he knows. The problem is that if he were more delusional, then he would be more convincing to the population and delusions are more rapidly spread than strategic lies. It's very worrisome. He will make it as difficult as possible because he does not have the psychological wherewithal to concede the loss.

Do you think it will get to that point where he will be ushered out of the White House by the Secret Service?
Psychologically speaking, it's a certainty at this point that he will have to be forced out. Far better to be forced out now than to wait until the last minute when he's calculating and planning to make it as difficult as possible and wreak as much havoc as possible before that date.

What's the psychology behind Trump's overall strategy?
He would be the last one to believe that he could be productive and that he could do things that are good for the nation. That's why he covers up with facade and invests in image rather than substance. Why he cannot accept the COVID-19 pandemic is real? Once he accepts, he would have to do something. He knows he will not be able to do anything because he knows he cannot do something about it. Deep down, he's overrun with the feelings of worthlessness and inadequacy. He's probably of an emotional age of 2 or 3 at best, from a psychological standpoint. That's the age where you revert to violence, aggression when you don't get your way.

How would you approach his supporters who are coping with the election results?
I advise in my book that the process of recovering is not to confront them, not to persuade them, but to change their circumstances that got themselves there in the first place. The first is to remove the offending agent, which is the president. The second is dismantle cult programming and propaganda, and the third is to fix their overall conditions that made them vulnerable in the first place.

How long do you think it will take for Americans to recover from this anxiety?
Our mental health will be in a state of peril after this, for both Trump supporters and others. Coupled with the pandemic, we're looking at serious trouble for a long time, Trumpism is due too the poorly educated that are followers and never lead. Trumpism has been confirmed as a very Sick Cult.


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How Trump ruined Americans' mental health, Trumpism is a mental disorder.
Alison Medley | on December 7, 2020


The aftermath of the 2020 election has been chaotic and unprecedented, with President Donald Trump refusing to concede to President-elect Joe Biden and launching a nationwide legal battle challenging the election results.

Psychiatrist and Yale University professor Bandy X. Lee believes what's truly at stake now is the mental health of Americans who have witnessed Trump's erratic behavior for four years. Lee is the editor of "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President." Trump has a very serious mental disorder.


She warned that Americans should "never underestimate Trump" and his volatility following his electoral defeat. In an interview with Chron, Lee spelled out the risks and discussed how Americans can heal after this tumultuous term.

Chron: In the days since the election, there's been notable chaos in the White House, with President Trump firing respected individuals and refusing to concede. What do you think this is doing to the mental health of Americans?
Lee: It's been greatly damaging. If you have any intact reality testing, you're going to be horrified and highly anxious, if not afraid for your life. This presidency itself had brought stress levels and anxiety levels to record levels, even before all the chaos. People are going to be suffering greatly and traumatized after this presidency.

What do you think the election loss will do to those who supported President Trump?


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After the election turmoil and a tumultuous four years under President Donald Trump, psychiatrist Bandy X. Lee advises that it's important for Americans to reconnect with the things they will rejuvenate and empower them.

They are going to be the most vulnerable. We know how some of them reject facts and reality, even currently. We know how painful it is for some of them to face reality. A fair percentage will experience the trauma after this presidency. If there were another President Trump to appear, they would be vulnerable to attaching to him, as to avoid facing reality. A lot of them will be simply clinging to the delusions. They cannot face letting go of their wishful thinking and their image of a savior or rescuer would be shattered. The more harmed they are, the more difficult it becomes to accept even the possibility that he could be harming them. There's a psychological collusion that's happening. His followers in particular were primed for someone with similar developmental defects to come around and entice them. There's a kind of narcissistic symbiosis that happens between him and his followers.

In your book, Trump is compared to an abuser who's the head of the household and the American public to the victim. How should Americans begin to heal after this term?
The reason why I wrote the book was to give people tools to deal with the president. The first thing is to set limits on what he can do to you, set limits for yourself — give time away from the news, from engaging what is happening. Doing the things that you love and enjoy and reconnecting with your own life — this can be rejuvenating and empowering. We cannot afford to lose ourselves because of his intimidation and oppression. We have to cultivate our sense of reality, our sense of self and values, and to prepare ourselves to act when needed.

Were you surprised that even after the volatility of four years, so many people voted for him again?
We had 70-plus million people voting for him. It's rather surprising to me that [Democrats] were able to eke out a victory, given how powerful the psychological factors are, the human mind is. I wouldn't be so quick to judge that it would go one way or another. [Trump] is extraordinarily talented at reshaping things to his favor. If you looked at the legal avenues, it doesn't look like he has a possibility there. Could he launch a war or launch nuclear weapons in a way that would put us in such chaos and we no longer looked at electoral votes, yes he could.

Do you think he believes he won?

Deep down, he knows. The problem is that if he were more delusional, then he would be more convincing to the population and delusions are more rapidly spread than strategic lies. It's very worrisome. He will make it as difficult as possible because he does not have the psychological wherewithal to concede the loss.

Do you think it will get to that point where he will be ushered out of the White House by the Secret Service?
Psychologically speaking, it's a certainty at this point that he will have to be forced out. Far better to be forced out now than to wait until the last minute when he's calculating and planning to make it as difficult as possible and wreak as much havoc as possible before that date.

What's the psychology behind Trump's overall strategy?
He would be the last one to believe that he could be productive and that he could do things that are good for the nation. That's why he covers up with facade and invests in image rather than substance. Why he cannot accept the COVID-19 pandemic is real? Once he accepts, he would have to do something. He knows he will not be able to do anything because he knows he cannot do something about it. Deep down, he's overrun with the feelings of worthlessness and inadequacy. He's probably of an emotional age of 2 or 3 at best, from a psychological standpoint. That's the age where you revert to violence, aggression when you don't get your way.

How would you approach his supporters who are coping with the election results?
I advise in my book that the process of recovering is not to confront them, not to persuade them, but to change their circumstances that got themselves there in the first place. The first is to remove the offending agent, which is the president. The second is dismantle cult programming and propaganda, and the third is to fix their overall conditions that made them vulnerable in the first place.

How long do you think it will take for Americans to recover from this anxiety?
Our mental health will be in a state of peril after this, for both Trump supporters and others. Coupled with the pandemic, we're looking at serious trouble for a long time, Trumpism is due too the poorly educated that are followers and never lead. Trumpism has been confirmed as a very Sick Cult.


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Honey you have been insane way before the trumpinator got involved.......easy pickin's....tata for now cupcake....

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DR. BANDY X. LEE | OPINION CONTRIBUTOR | 5:56 pm EST November 24, 2020

As the world celebrated a Biden-Harris victory, mental health professionals braced for the two-and-a-half months that we deemed would be the most dangerous period of this presidency. Indeed, in just the days since announcement of election results, Donald Trump has refused to concede, has obstructed a peaceful transfer of power, has fired and replaced top officials responsible for the nation’s security, and has contemplated catastrophic war. All this is on top of ignoring a surging pandemic that is now infecting more than 150,000 per day and killing more than 1,500 Americans per day.


Since Donald Trump’s election, mental health professionals have come forth in historically unprecedented ways to warn against entrusting the U.S. presidency to someone exhibiting dangerous mental impairments. We held an ethics conference with the most highly respected psychiatrists in the country to ensure a solid ethical basis for speaking up. We then published "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President," which became an unprecedented bestseller of its kind, and donated all proceeds from the book to remove conflicts of interest.

How the American Psychiatric Association has reacted to Trump
Meanwhile, the leadership of American Psychiatric Association promulgated the false notion that we cannot know anything about a person without a personal examination — which goes against its own standards since 1980, when observation superseded interviews for diagnosis. Public health interventions, furthermore, do not even require a diagnosis, much less a personal examination. When we continued to speak up, it engaged in public campaigns that included the New York Times, soon after which media inquiries abruptly dried up. The APA thus “disappeared” mental health experts from public view since January 2018, leaving mental health discussions to lay pundits, who regularly underestimated and minimized the president’s dangers.

President Donald Trump May 21, 2020, in Washington, D.C.
President Donald Trump May 21, 2020, in Washington, D.C.
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We knew from speaking and meeting with Congress members at their request, since April 2017, that they were depending on us to “educate the public medically, so that we can do our work politically.” Hence, blocking mental health experts’ voices would come to mean impeding any possibility of intervention, and this is indeed what happened. Yet, according to my scholarly exchanges with author of the 25th Amendment, together with Sen. Birch Bayh, attorney and professor John Feerick — with whom I had the honor to speak at the same conferences — the amendment was written so that “the data would drive the process, and medical professionals are a source of data.” Professor John Rogan, his close collaborator on the 25th Amendment, clarified on another occasion: “physicians have a supererogatory obligation to share specialized knowledge. This is especially important when discussing psychiatric conditions, which may be hard to apprehend.” The vice president, far from being the driver of the process, would be “leaned upon” by the cabinet or the “other body” that Congress can appoint to supplant the cabinet, in response to the data.


Harry S. Truman's grandson: The messy, impolite history of presidential transitions

Therefore, whereas I consider it unethical for a medical professional to opine on whether or not the 25th Amendment should be invoked — it is not within the boundaries of our expertise — we as mental health professionals can and should say if a president must be removed for public health and safety reasons, whatever the means. Indeed, thousands of mental health professionals have joined together in this assessment since the start of this presidency, with more than 800 petitioning Congress about the dangers almost a year ago, and, more recently, 100 senior mental health professionals going on video record to declare the current president too psychologically dangerous and mentally unfit to be in the presidency or candidacy for reelection. We recently published more than 300 pages of our letters, petitions, and conference transcripts in an attempt to alert the authorities. When these did not have effect, we reconvened top experts in the fields of law, history, political science, economics, journalism, social psychology, climate science and nuclear science at an emergency interdisciplinary conference, to follow up on a meeting with the same speakers at the National Press Club in early 2019, with the full three hours broadcast on C-SPAN.

APA CHIEF: Up to the people, not the medical profession, to oust Trump

The president’s dangerousness is no longer debatable. Our warnings have now been realized exactly as we said they would four years ago, as if on schedule, with abundant real-life evidence. When the right information became available, a peer-reviewed panel of independent experts performed a standardized assessment of mental capacity, to the highest rigor possible, in which the president failed every criterion. This means he would be unfit for any job, let alone president. Our evaluation fully predicted that he would disastrously mismanage a pandemic, as our blow-by-blow account shows.

Trump's fitness and the 25th Amendment
We recently held a town hall to ask the question: “What is wrong with our Constitution?” Why would it fail to protect the nation at the most basic level? We featured House member and constitutional scholar Jamie Raskin’s lecture to us on the 25th Amendment in 2019, made current again through his reintroduction of legislation for a commission to oversee presidential capacity, of which physicians and psychiatrists would comprise half. Dr. James Merikangas, a foremost forensic neuropsychiatrist joined us to discuss fitness tests, and attorney and professor Richard Painter, former chief White House ethics counsel for the Bush/Cheney Administration and former chair of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) spoke to us about the need to invoke the 25th Amendment and the need to hold wrongdoers accountable.

Trump's danger: Trump history and behavior suggest destructive mental processes that put America at risk


We need to get back to basics. Painter stated at our conference: “the Goldwater rule … is a violation of your First Amendment rights, and a violation of your duty to your country and to human civilization.” It is a basic understanding that to remain silent against a critical medical need is a violation of our professional “responsibility to society,” as outlined in the first paragraph of the preamble of our ethics code. The APA should no longer mislead the public and the media into believing that its guild rule of restricting speech on public figures, which no other mental health association has and is not admissible on any state licensing board, is universal. The truly universal Declaration of Geneva says that we must prevent harm and injustice, especially when they are coming from a destructive government.

Dr. Bandy X. Lee is a forensic psychiatrist at the Yale School of Medicine, editor of "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President," and president of the World Mental Health Coalition.

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Transition warning: Trump's mental illness is a growing danger
Psychiatrists must prevent harm and injustice, especially when they are coming from a destructive government.
DR. BANDY X. LEE | OPINION CONTRIBUTOR | 5:56 pm EST November 24, 2020

As the world celebrated a Biden-Harris victory, mental health professionals braced for the two-and-a-half months that we deemed would be the most dangerous period of this presidency. Indeed, in just the days since announcement of election results, Donald Trump has refused to concede, has obstructed a peaceful transfer of power, has fired and replaced top officials responsible for the nation’s security, and has contemplated catastrophic war. All this is on top of ignoring a surging pandemic that is now infecting more than 150,000 per day and killing more than 1,500 Americans per day.


Since Donald Trump’s election, mental health professionals have come forth in historically unprecedented ways to warn against entrusting the U.S. presidency to someone exhibiting dangerous mental impairments. We held an ethics conference with the most highly respected psychiatrists in the country to ensure a solid ethical basis for speaking up. We then published "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President," which became an unprecedented bestseller of its kind, and donated all proceeds from the book to remove conflicts of interest.

How the American Psychiatric Association has reacted to Trump
Meanwhile, the leadership of American Psychiatric Association promulgated the false notion that we cannot know anything about a person without a personal examination — which goes against its own standards since 1980, when observation superseded interviews for diagnosis. Public health interventions, furthermore, do not even require a diagnosis, much less a personal examination. When we continued to speak up, it engaged in public campaigns that included the New York Times, soon after which media inquiries abruptly dried up. The APA thus “disappeared” mental health experts from public view since January 2018, leaving mental health discussions to lay pundits, who regularly underestimated and minimized the president’s dangers.

President Donald Trump May 21, 2020, in Washington, D.C.
President Donald Trump May 21, 2020, in Washington, D.C.
MANDEL NGAN/ AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES
We knew from speaking and meeting with Congress members at their request, since April 2017, that they were depending on us to “educate the public medically, so that we can do our work politically.” Hence, blocking mental health experts’ voices would come to mean impeding any possibility of intervention, and this is indeed what happened. Yet, according to my scholarly exchanges with author of the 25th Amendment, together with Sen. Birch Bayh, attorney and professor John Feerick — with whom I had the honor to speak at the same conferences — the amendment was written so that “the data would drive the process, and medical professionals are a source of data.” Professor John Rogan, his close collaborator on the 25th Amendment, clarified on another occasion: “physicians have a supererogatory obligation to share specialized knowledge. This is especially important when discussing psychiatric conditions, which may be hard to apprehend.” The vice president, far from being the driver of the process, would be “leaned upon” by the cabinet or the “other body” that Congress can appoint to supplant the cabinet, in response to the data.


Harry S. Truman's grandson: The messy, impolite history of presidential transitions

Therefore, whereas I consider it unethical for a medical professional to opine on whether or not the 25th Amendment should be invoked — it is not within the boundaries of our expertise — we as mental health professionals can and should say if a president must be removed for public health and safety reasons, whatever the means. Indeed, thousands of mental health professionals have joined together in this assessment since the start of this presidency, with more than 800 petitioning Congress about the dangers almost a year ago, and, more recently, 100 senior mental health professionals going on video record to declare the current president too psychologically dangerous and mentally unfit to be in the presidency or candidacy for reelection. We recently published more than 300 pages of our letters, petitions, and conference transcripts in an attempt to alert the authorities. When these did not have effect, we reconvened top experts in the fields of law, history, political science, economics, journalism, social psychology, climate science and nuclear science at an emergency interdisciplinary conference, to follow up on a meeting with the same speakers at the National Press Club in early 2019, with the full three hours broadcast on C-SPAN.

APA CHIEF: Up to the people, not the medical profession, to oust Trump

The president’s dangerousness is no longer debatable. Our warnings have now been realized exactly as we said they would four years ago, as if on schedule, with abundant real-life evidence. When the right information became available, a peer-reviewed panel of independent experts performed a standardized assessment of mental capacity, to the highest rigor possible, in which the president failed every criterion. This means he would be unfit for any job, let alone president. Our evaluation fully predicted that he would disastrously mismanage a pandemic, as our blow-by-blow account shows.

Trump's fitness and the 25th Amendment
We recently held a town hall to ask the question: “What is wrong with our Constitution?” Why would it fail to protect the nation at the most basic level? We featured House member and constitutional scholar Jamie Raskin’s lecture to us on the 25th Amendment in 2019, made current again through his reintroduction of legislation for a commission to oversee presidential capacity, of which physicians and psychiatrists would comprise half. Dr. James Merikangas, a foremost forensic neuropsychiatrist joined us to discuss fitness tests, and attorney and professor Richard Painter, former chief White House ethics counsel for the Bush/Cheney Administration and former chair of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) spoke to us about the need to invoke the 25th Amendment and the need to hold wrongdoers accountable.

Trump's danger: Trump history and behavior suggest destructive mental processes that put America at risk


We need to get back to basics. Painter stated at our conference: “the Goldwater rule … is a violation of your First Amendment rights, and a violation of your duty to your country and to human civilization.” It is a basic understanding that to remain silent against a critical medical need is a violation of our professional “responsibility to society,” as outlined in the first paragraph of the preamble of our ethics code. The APA should no longer mislead the public and the media into believing that its guild rule of restricting speech on public figures, which no other mental health association has and is not admissible on any state licensing board, is universal. The truly universal Declaration of Geneva says that we must prevent harm and injustice, especially when they are coming from a destructive government.

Dr. Bandy X. Lee is a forensic psychiatrist at the Yale School of Medicine, editor of "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President," and president of the World Mental Health Coalition.




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Transition warning: Trump's mental illness is a growing danger
Psychiatrists must prevent harm and injustice, especially when they are coming from a destructive government.
DR. BANDY X. LEE | OPINION CONTRIBUTOR | 5:56 pm EST November 24, 2020

As the world celebrated a Biden-Harris victory, mental health professionals braced for the two-and-a-half months that we deemed would be the most dangerous period of this presidency. Indeed, in just the days since announcement of election results, Donald Trump has refused to concede, has obstructed a peaceful transfer of power, has fired and replaced top officials responsible for the nation’s security, and has contemplated catastrophic war. All this is on top of ignoring a surging pandemic that is now infecting more than 150,000 per day and killing more than 1,500 Americans per day.


Since Donald Trump’s election, mental health professionals have come forth in historically unprecedented ways to warn against entrusting the U.S. presidency to someone exhibiting dangerous mental impairments. We held an ethics conference with the most highly respected psychiatrists in the country to ensure a solid ethical basis for speaking up. We then published "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President," which became an unprecedented bestseller of its kind, and donated all proceeds from the book to remove conflicts of interest.

How the American Psychiatric Association has reacted to Trump
Meanwhile, the leadership of American Psychiatric Association promulgated the false notion that we cannot know anything about a person without a personal examination — which goes against its own standards since 1980, when observation superseded interviews for diagnosis. Public health interventions, furthermore, do not even require a diagnosis, much less a personal examination. When we continued to speak up, it engaged in public campaigns that included the New York Times, soon after which media inquiries abruptly dried up. The APA thus “disappeared” mental health experts from public view since January 2018, leaving mental health discussions to lay pundits, who regularly underestimated and minimized the president’s dangers.

President Donald Trump May 21, 2020, in Washington, D.C.
President Donald Trump May 21, 2020, in Washington, D.C.
MANDEL NGAN/ AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES
We knew from speaking and meeting with Congress members at their request, since April 2017, that they were depending on us to “educate the public medically, so that we can do our work politically.” Hence, blocking mental health experts’ voices would come to mean impeding any possibility of intervention, and this is indeed what happened. Yet, according to my scholarly exchanges with author of the 25th Amendment, together with Sen. Birch Bayh, attorney and professor John Feerick — with whom I had the honor to speak at the same conferences — the amendment was written so that “the data would drive the process, and medical professionals are a source of data.” Professor John Rogan, his close collaborator on the 25th Amendment, clarified on another occasion: “physicians have a supererogatory obligation to share specialized knowledge. This is especially important when discussing psychiatric conditions, which may be hard to apprehend.” The vice president, far from being the driver of the process, would be “leaned upon” by the cabinet or the “other body” that Congress can appoint to supplant the cabinet, in response to the data.


Harry S. Truman's grandson: The messy, impolite history of presidential transitions

Therefore, whereas I consider it unethical for a medical professional to opine on whether or not the 25th Amendment should be invoked — it is not within the boundaries of our expertise — we as mental health professionals can and should say if a president must be removed for public health and safety reasons, whatever the means. Indeed, thousands of mental health professionals have joined together in this assessment since the start of this presidency, with more than 800 petitioning Congress about the dangers almost a year ago, and, more recently, 100 senior mental health professionals going on video record to declare the current president too psychologically dangerous and mentally unfit to be in the presidency or candidacy for reelection. We recently published more than 300 pages of our letters, petitions, and conference transcripts in an attempt to alert the authorities. When these did not have effect, we reconvened top experts in the fields of law, history, political science, economics, journalism, social psychology, climate science and nuclear science at an emergency interdisciplinary conference, to follow up on a meeting with the same speakers at the National Press Club in early 2019, with the full three hours broadcast on C-SPAN.

APA CHIEF: Up to the people, not the medical profession, to oust Trump

The president’s dangerousness is no longer debatable. Our warnings have now been realized exactly as we said they would four years ago, as if on schedule, with abundant real-life evidence. When the right information became available, a peer-reviewed panel of independent experts performed a standardized assessment of mental capacity, to the highest rigor possible, in which the president failed every criterion. This means he would be unfit for any job, let alone president. Our evaluation fully predicted that he would disastrously mismanage a pandemic, as our blow-by-blow account shows.

Trump's fitness and the 25th Amendment
We recently held a town hall to ask the question: “What is wrong with our Constitution?” Why would it fail to protect the nation at the most basic level? We featured House member and constitutional scholar Jamie Raskin’s lecture to us on the 25th Amendment in 2019, made current again through his reintroduction of legislation for a commission to oversee presidential capacity, of which physicians and psychiatrists would comprise half. Dr. James Merikangas, a foremost forensic neuropsychiatrist joined us to discuss fitness tests, and attorney and professor Richard Painter, former chief White House ethics counsel for the Bush/Cheney Administration and former chair of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) spoke to us about the need to invoke the 25th Amendment and the need to hold wrongdoers accountable.

Trump's danger: Trump history and behavior suggest destructive mental processes that put America at risk


We need to get back to basics. Painter stated at our conference: “the Goldwater rule … is a violation of your First Amendment rights, and a violation of your duty to your country and to human civilization.” It is a basic understanding that to remain silent against a critical medical need is a violation of our professional “responsibility to society,” as outlined in the first paragraph of the preamble of our ethics code. The APA should no longer mislead the public and the media into believing that its guild rule of restricting speech on public figures, which no other mental health association has and is not admissible on any state licensing board, is universal. The truly universal Declaration of Geneva says that we must prevent harm and injustice, especially when they are coming from a destructive government.

Dr. Bandy X. Lee is a forensic psychiatrist at the Yale School of Medicine, editor of "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President," and president of the World Mental Health Coalition.


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