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Nope I got a 10 yr old Grntch wish it would have happened a long time ago. Buuuuuuuuut being a realist you know what is going to happen if they do the worst squeeling , squalling, crying you ever heard about ntchs not getting their wins against Grntchs I might enjoy that tho me being me lol.

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Registered: Apr 2015
Location: Nc
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I agree about letting grands and nt ch hunt together, if a nt ch can't beat a grand does it deserve to be a grand

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Location: Northwest georgia
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Alot of grands don't deserve to be grand! 😊

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Registered: Apr 2015
Location: Nc
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I agree, a lot of nt ch don't deserve that either

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Registered: Dec 2016
Location: Ark/Miss
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It should take 5 hunt wins to become a Nite Ch. With today's attendance if you win a cast you're almost guaranteed a 1st, 2nd or 3rd. This would likely cut the # of Nite champs in half & Grand nites by 2/3rds or more..

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It should take 5 hunt wins to become a Nite Ch. With today's attendance if you win a cast you're almost guaranteed a 1st, 2nd or 3rd. This would likely cut the # of Nite champs in half & Grand nites by 2/3rds or more..

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Registered: Jan 2016
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I have never once heard anybody in pkc complain about having to hunt a platinum ch because their dog isn't even a ch. They don't care.

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Registered: May 2015
Location: IN
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Im starting to get in with the state race group, done the right way i think eventually it would draw better then the other kcs. It wouldn't take a huge % increase in pp dogs to have a lot of money to work with

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Location: Palatka, FL
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State races, breed races and pup races all work other places.
My question here is does UKC also look at the possibility of week night hunts. People running races want to go to hunts.
Over time we have went to more hunts with smaller entries, because of this. Don't think that is changing.

Lets say UKC could wave the magic wand and put all the programs people wanted in place in one week. It even shored up the performance program.

A stumbling block and maybe a big one is the Breed Associations. Where do they shake out in all of this.
From what I have seen over the years with the rules, they don't like change. They keep the power they have now over UKC and nothing will be changed.
Somebody better figure out where the breed associations will be in a new and modern UKC. I see that as one of the bigger stumbling blocks.

One thing also to consider. All the programs the other KC's offer, generally pay for themselves. The pup hunts, the breed hunts the state hunts. All the prize money from PKC comes from escrow money paid in during the year. You go to this format the numbers are a lot more transparent. FL is historically a state that has a low State Payout. KY, TN, IN and IL have fairly large payouts. All based on the number of dogs hunted during the year in that state. Yes all the clubs that host these hunts look for sponsors who boost the money at these hunts for the open events going on while the state hunt is happening. Actually if you look over time. These hunts are advertised as State Hunts but the actual state hunts take place on Thursday or Friday so the guys can win more money in the open event on Saturday. Lot to think about.

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Who ever they were that made those big changes in the 80's and haven't changed nothing much since I would like to hug their necks .................. Really tight !!!! Bunch of under achievers lol.

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Registered: Dec 2016
Location: Ark/Miss
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A free entry to the zones for the top 12 performance earners in each state would be a nice bonus as well.

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Breed associations should vote on things directly concerning their breeds.
Competition hunters should vote on things concerning competition hunts.

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Suggestions to make a $100 point a $300 with very minor increases. Helping hunters who are entering the hunts and increasing interest for some who aren't. Mostly bringing attendance up and helping the local clubs out.
1.$10-20 increase to performance register one.
2.$10-20 increase to nominate a litter.
3.$20-30 fee to nominate a dam before breeding.
4.$25-50 increase in Performance sire fee.
5. Don't waste paper, envelopes, postage or man hours mailing checks under $50
6. Add a $1 fee per dog entered at a hunt to be placed directly in the performance fund.
Any 3 of these suggestions will more than double the fund, all will more than triple it.
This program has become stagnant and losing interest rapidly.

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#3 Dam nominations. I constantly hear complaints about the cost of raising a litter, then look on the board's at the 100s of pups for sale. I understand they have an option to pay up or nominate a litter, but it shouldn't be an option if bred to a performance sire, it should be mandatory

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If you gave people the option to pay taxes most wouldn't even though all benefit from them. If less than half participated in taxes all public services would shut down & the economy would collapse. Basically what's happening to this program lol. I'm AGAINST people who don't want to participate in the hunts paying into a program they won't benefit from. Big game, pleasure, show dogs or pets for example.

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Your comparison makes no sense. People who choose not to pay in recieve none of the programs benifits unlike people who choose not to pay their taxes.

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If this program goes under due to lack of interest and people choosing not to pay in, do you think it will have any effect on hunt attendance or the clubs holding the hunts? All the $ hunters in my area hit the UKC hunts when there's not a $ hunt so they can get a performance check till their dogs granded out. I've not owned a dog that wasn't performanced cause its unwise financially but I would think it would bother people to own a great dog then take it to Grand & receive nothing when $30 could have a 20x return or more..

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I've not heard a thing about the program going under. I dont believe it is even remotely close to going under.
Mr Moore, there are over 750 Sires enrolled in this program. SEVEN HUNDRED FIFTY! The Super Stakes program has approximately 330. I just dont get where you are thinking the PRP is in some kind of dire straits.

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There was some numbers on the other post you should look at as far as the status of the program, but the BIG # is 10% that's UKCs cut. Figure 10% and spread that across 12 months of man hrs, (I'd guess the girls spend 1-4hrs. a day on the phone answering ?s involving the program, enrolling sires, etc.) Stationary, checks, postage, envelopes (at 3,000 checks a year figure approximately 50© each) advertising (3-5pages a month in Bloodlines). I'd almost say they're wondering if there's enough interest in this program for the headache & to keep sinking money in it. Thus multiple ?s concerning our opinions from the head men..

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Jim bottom line the main reason those guys put their studs in the PP or SS is so they stand a chance of breeding their dog and selling their pups without it people ain't interested I would like to know how many worthless pups are paid into the program a stud should be given 3 yrs to generate pups that win points or be forced to be taken out of the program it's supposed to showcase a sires reproducing ability that's why you need the races and a hunt at the end of the year now they mail you a $60 check at the end of the year and nobody even knows you won anything jmo.

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Jim bottom line the main reason those guys put their studs in the PP or SS is so they stand a chance of breeding their dog and selling their pups without it people ain't interested I would like to know how many worthless pups are paid into the program a stud should be given 3 yrs to generate pups that win points or be forced to be taken out of the program it's supposed to showcase a sires reproducing ability that's why you need the races and a hunt at the end of the year now they mail you a $60 check at the end of the year and nobody even knows you won anything jmo.

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That's why the super stakes sires numbers of studs enrolled is so low ain't nobody going to pay those higher fees on a dud. Good grief if a dog is bred very much and in 3 or 4 years he ain't produced somthing that performs well enough to win he needs to be neutered jmo.

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That's why the super stakes sires numbers of studs enrolled is so low ain't nobody going to pay those higher fees on a dud. Good grief if a dog is bred very much and in 3 or 4 years he ain't produced somthing that performs well enough to win he needs to be neutered jmo.

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So what you are saying is because it's cheap to get in they put an unproven dog in the program some do not carry a nite hunt title theirselves so the ones that do reproduce can get their unearned $$$ in the meantime filling the dog world with more junk sounds awfull demcratish to me needs to be races and a showcase hunt at the end of the year to acknowledge the dogs that do reproduce. Most SS sires are winners their selfs. Me thinks !!!

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There was some numbers on the other post you should look at as far as the status of the program, but the BIG # is 10% that's UKCs cut. Figure 10% and spread that across 12 months of man hrs, (I'd guess the girls spend 1-4hrs. a day on the phone answering ?s involving the program, enrolling sires, etc.) Stationary, checks, postage, envelopes (at 3,000 checks a year figure approximately 50© each) advertising (3-5pages a month in Bloodlines). I'd almost say they're wondering if there's enough interest in this program for the headache & to keep sinking money in it. Thus multiple ?s concerning our opinions from the head men..

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