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Saturday night, night champion cast. Dog A is struck and treed. Walking into dog A, he leaves. Look in the tree. POSSUM. Is he scratched or minused for leaving tree?

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Kinda like how you make up the other Kc's rules?

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Kinda like how you make up the other Kc's rules?

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I think some of you guys just make it up as you go. If the dog left why would anyone even put a light in the tree?

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They were probably hoping it was a previously scored tree so they could "tweek" the rules and get it deleted instead of taking a minus they had coming when there dog left the tree.LOL.

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They were probably hoping it was a previously scored tree so they could "tweek" the rules and get it deleted instead of taking a minus they had coming when there dog left the tree.LOL.

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Has UKC give there answer to the original question yet?

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I'm just glad i don't have to hunt with folks more worried about ways to send my dog to the truck than if they got a dog that can tree a coon. LOL.

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minus!! u minus the dogs for leaving them two dogs could have been on a tree 30 ft from the other one that had already been scored... u can only tell for sure that one dog went back cause it was handled there... take ur minus like a man and suck it up and go on....

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Zach, he said they saw the two dogs leave the other previously scored tree and go to their original tree. delete........

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7 pages saying the same things. Maybe we will get the answer today.

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Minus that sumbuck. He left his tree

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Let's just have minus points and the one back to the truck first wins.

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Or lets give the dog the benefit of the doubt. EVERY TIME. Its coonhunting boys, take ya minus, and hold ya head up.

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And now i know why we have so many "why did this happen" threads on monday mornings! Man if you judge by whats on the back of the score card rather than what you think is right this is easy to call. They SEEN the dogs on a previously scored tree! So many weigh in with their opinion without actually reading the first question at the start. It doesn`t help that the UKC has refused to say which way is the correct way. By the rules on the back of the card if a dog is seen on a previously scored tree that tree is dead, even if he leaves and goes to another previously scored tree. You can`t minus him when you see him on a tree that was already scored. If you don`t see him on the tree than of course you minus him because you never knew exactly what tree he was on, but the original question stated that they all seen the dogs on the tree that had been scored. And obviously if your dog goes back and then leaves it needs work.

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Everyone knows that the points are deleted. The only question is when are they deleted? As soon as you see them on the tree or after they are handled. That decides if they are minused or not. Im of the opinion that they have to be handled before you can do anything with there scores other than mining them. Ukc needs to let me know if im doing wrong.

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Pretty surprised Allen or Todd havent straightened this out for us, maybe they are in the office arguing about it themseles, or maybe it will be adressed in the next advisor article. I feel delete is correct simply because once you see that the dogs are on a previously scored tree its pretty hard to unsee.

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Pretty surprised Allen or Todd havent straightened this out for us, maybe they are in the office arguing about it themseles

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what should have been done was determine if its the same tree first, instead once you tree a dog and start the 5 that dog is responsible for the points, so any dog handled at that previous tree gets deleted, any dogs seen leaving would be minused, so many people want to get out of there minus points, they get blinded by the rules, man up and take the minus points then get a big stick and break them dogs of going back!!!!

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Plain and simple. If you tree your dog, it better stay treed until you get there. Or your gonna get one of these (-). That's the rule. If he's HANDLED at a previously scored tree. DELETE it. What's not to understand?

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what should have been done was determine if its the same tree first, instead once you tree a dog and start the 5 that dog is responsible for the points, so any dog handled at that previous tree gets deleted, any dogs seen leaving would be minused, so many people want to get out of there minus points, they get blinded by the rules, man up and take the minus points then get a big stick and break them dogs of going back!!!!

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Plain and simple. If you tree your dog, it better stay treed until you get there. Or your gonna get one of these (-). That's the rule. If he's HANDLED at a previously scored tree. DELETE it. What's not to understand?

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Here's the problem John,how can a judge declare a tree previously scored without putting a light in it,and by UKC's rules dogs must be handled and leashed first before scoring ANY tree.Plus,minus,circle,or delete,the cast is still scoring this particular tree.Two dogs left before they were handled and the tree scored,which would of been deleted.....at the point they left they should of been minused right then according to rule4(c) before they ever arrived at the tree,handle the dogs that are there,minus what isn't,and then you score it.JMO.

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Here's the problem John,how can a judge declare a tree previously scored without putting a light in it,and by UKC's rules dogs must be handled and leashed first before scoring ANY tree.Plus,minus,circle,or delete,the cast is still scoring this particular tree.Two dogs left before they were handled and the tree scored,which would of been deleted.....at the point they left they should of been minused right then according to rule4(c) before they ever arrived at the tree,handled the dogs,and then scored it.JMO.

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How did you know it was the same tree??

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