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rkenney
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 crossbreds....

personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with crossbreeding.. I have always wondered what a blackmouthed cur/black plott cross would put on the ground.. Just an opinion.

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I wish UKC would register crossbreeds. Why not, if you dont like it, dont do it. They are just losing money for no reason.

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 Re: crossbreds....

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personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with crossbreeding.. I have always wondered what a blackmouthed cur/black plott cross would put on the ground.. Just an opinion.



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Back before guys could drive miles on end to breed there hounds they bred the best to the best no matter what the breed and produced excellent hunting dogs. None of these walkers or english, plotts, ect go back to pure stock. I have hunted bear, coon, wild boar, and mt lion all over the U.S. and the nicest, hardest hunting, most intelligent hounds i have hunted with were cross breeds. I am considering crossing my english female to a real nice plott bear hound in WV to get some bear dogs. I have a plott female that i may breed too but i have talked to several people who have good luck crossing these two breeds.

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 GOT CROSSBRED

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 AS PREVIOUSLY STATED

CROSSBREEDS ARE GENETIC MUD!

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 Re: AS PREVIOUSLY STATED

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CROSSBREEDS ARE GENETIC MUD!



How so?

Obviously, you have a strong opinion on the subject. Please explain why you feel that way.

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 we have breeds

now why go back 50 years?

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 Re: I saw a Picture last week,

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A picture of a Cross Bred Hound, it was half Bluetick, and Half Treeing Walker.

It looked just like an English Coonhound, Exactly.

I have read up on it, and learned that the Walker and The Bluetick came from the English hound.

My Question is this, What is the diference between this Cross Bred Hound, and an English Coonhound?

I bet its exactly the same thing, only better.


Richard, the "English Registry" was the first to register the foxhound type of hounds that were mixed with the Gascogn hounds. Of course, there is plenty of Bloodhound genes percolating around in the gene pool as well. The idea was to provide legitimacy to those hounds and they were all grouped together. Many of the first registered Treeing Walkers or whatever they were called at the time, had never been registered as anything. I think that that applied to Nance's hounds, who were first registered by one of the magazine based registries, and to Raymond Motley's hounds. I don't know if Dick Hershberger used any of the previously UKC registered hounds in his breeding program. People just bred the best to the best and the coat colors fell all over the board. Truth be known, they ought to be known as French Coonhounds. LOL I found a picture of a pack of foxhounds imported from France killing a Mt. Lion in Texas circa 1880. I cannot imagine that these hounds did not leave behind some kind of genetic contribution or that other hounds were imported from Europe proper rather than England.

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 Re: AS PREVIOUSLY STATED

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CROSSBREEDS ARE GENETIC MUD!


The same movement that spawned the idea of pure races of stock, i.e. hounds, spawned the notion of pure races of man. There is no such thing as a pure race of man, and there is no such thing as a pure hound. The main source of hound genes that we all have is the Gascogn, the St. Hubert descended hounds, ie. blood hounds, and some of the foxhound strains from Europe.. Yes, we need a registry to brand the hounds for marketing purposes, legitimacy, and such. However, this idea of a pure breed with a strict adherence to breed standards is nonsense. We are going to end up with Irish Setters and everyone will go around shearing their hounds to hide rough coats. I think that single registration serves an admirable service to the concept of performance. At the same time, registering crossbred hounds en masse will destroy the very branding that was missing before the hounds were registered in the first place. There is a balance that needs to be maintained in order to ensure performance and provide legitimacy and such.

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 Re: AS PREVIOUSLY STATED

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CROSSBREEDS ARE GENETIC MUD!



And you are Dumb as a fence post!!!

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 Re: AS PREVIOUSLY STATED

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why don't you write a book on breeding and what you have experenced using dna tested genetic pure dogs?

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 Re: AS PREVIOUSLY STATED

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CROSSBREEDS ARE GENETIC MUD!


dont think they like your post but i like the name think thats what i will call my hardrock pup thanks for the help.

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Richard Nethery
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Genetic Mud Huh?

Tennesee Hardrock, PKC WORLD CHAMPION, or was.
Quick, UKC WORLD CHAMPION.
See a Pattern?

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 Re: AS PREVIOUSLY STATED

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CROSSBREEDS ARE GENETIC MUD!


And you are an uninformed want a be expert

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quote:
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Genetic Mud Huh?

Tennesee Hardrock, PKC WORLD CHAMPION, or was.
Quick, UKC WORLD CHAMPION.
See a Pattern?


The "mud" isnt doing to bad is it Richard? LOL

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 Pointing

Presently, I don't have a single hound, and that includes the Smokey River Bluetick, that does not point something. Whether it be birds, cats teasing them, or coon, all my hounds will point on occaision. And no, they were not bred by Redtick. LOL

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 Re: AS PREVIOUSLY STATED

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CROSSBREEDS ARE GENETIC MUD!


This is one of the dumbest statements ever made!!!

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i am almost 47 years old and have coon huntted all my life,,the best dog to this day i ever sean un snaped was a cross breed,,her mother was a reg,walker the father was a reg blakantan,and if that dog could be broght back to live,well i guess it wound seand me to the bank becals i would owen her again,i bought her as a pup,,never sean a coon dog even close to her cence in my life,o she beat the best of them night after night it was like she could blow a coon out her @ss and tree it where there was nun,i will try and hunt up a few old picters of her and get some one to post them,did i forget to tell the first coon season she was 10 months old,killed 300 plus coon with her in the cliffs they will never be one in my book ever again as good as her,,rest in peice sandy i can still her you treed,david boggs

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 Re: GOT CROSS BRED?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joe O'Bryan
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THE POLL SAID IT ALL. ONE DOG IN MIND TN.HARD ROCK UKC AND AKC CALL HIM BLACK AND TAN,BUT IS HE?NO,HE IS HALF WALKER HALF BLACK AND TAN I CALL HIM CROSS BRED.STOP LIEING OR MISLEADING YOURSELF IF YOU THINK FOR ONCE HE'S A BLACK AND TAN MORE REASON TO CALL HIM WHAT HE RELLY IS(CROSS BRED).

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joe O'Bryan
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THE POLL SAID IT ALL. ONE DOG IN MIND TN.HARD ROCK UKC AND AKC CALL HIM BLACK AND TAN,BUT IS HE?NO,HE IS HALF WALKER HALF BLACK AND TAN I CALL HIM CROSS BRED.STOP LIEING OR MISLEADING YOURSELF IF YOU THINK FOR ONCE HE'S A BLACK AND TAN MORE REASON TO CALL HIM WHAT HE RELLY IS(CROSS BRED).
I hunted Hardrock several times and you can call him anything you like but one thing is for sure, You Can Call Him A Coondog.

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 Re: AS PREVIOUSLY STATED

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Trace any pedigree, back far eneough, and you will eventually run across a little Genetic Mud. LOL
If the first Dog owners, felt the way you do, we would be hunting with Wolves. LOL

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