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Originally posted by Toad Hill
Alan I have another one for you ,
4 dog cast all dogs are struck in my dog comes back you minus him strike points but he has the strong smell of skunk on him are you scratching me?

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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
Never.

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Lol. I definitely have to agree with you on that one! A dog with skunk all over it was doing something wrong for sure [ prima facie ] the act speaks for itself. While scratching or minus on speculation alone doesn't hold water. No wonder there are so many different answers to the same RULE question on this board. Logic just doesn't exist with many RULES. Dave

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Dog was just defending himself against an over aggressive skunk !!!


Should have scratched the skunk !!




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My dog scratched a skunk Sat night.

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Originally posted by TylerOSU
I think she is saying the way it reads the dog has to be doing both things to be scratched (showing aggression AND interfering with another dog) Rather than saying Or, And/Or. It's just a wording issue and it wont be a big deal until someone wants it to be.

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That sure does look perfectly clear to my little pea brain. Sometimes I think that you can be too smart.

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i still haven't heard a answer on the 2 bloody dogs when we heard a all out and out fight i guess they just stubbed there toes must have been the 2 with no blood who knows ?

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Rule says that when you have a dog fight you scratch the aggressor. If the aggressor is not known then you scratch "all dogs involved". Now someone would pretty much have to be on the cast to know what dogs were involved. With that said every cast I have been on every dog at the tree ended up getting scratched when a fight broke out.

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Originally posted by Donnie Stevens
Fighting OR attempting to fight. To scratch for attempting to fight requires aggressive behavior AND interference.

Interference is not required to scratch a dog for fighting.

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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
Yeah, scratching for a growl alone would not meet the criteria of "attempting to fight"

What about if I got in your face at a hunt and told u who I thought u was and what u was gonna do and if you have a problem with me u can @#$&+$©©£"*;׶∆∆€^°|~π√ !!!!!!!!¡!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And flinch towards ya !
Is that not attempting anything ? ??
Am I not " growling" ?

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Donnie you also need to read the definition because it sure doesn't say or it says and.. .

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Originally posted by Donnie Stevens
I'm waving the white flag lol. I give.

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Lol. You may not have a PHD in English as you put it, but you certainly have a PHD in human nature. You maintain composure at all times when posting on this forum and show a great deal of wisdom in your discussions. Dealing with a bunch of coonhunter isn't an easy task, but you handle it wonderfully. Thank you. Dave

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After reading through these comments there is one rule that jumps out at me and that is scratching dogs without seeing what’s going on. I’m pretty laid back and easy to get a long with but I’m pretty certain I’d be on the Indefinite list if this happened at a hunt that meant something.

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You know what's interesting about some of these topics? Most rule definitions and scoring dogs based on using good judgement is not anything new. Far from it. Many of these "how to's" have been around since way before I came along. There's many things you're not required to, nor could you, prove 100% when judging dogs. Some situations simply require using sound judgement.

I'll bet many would find it interesting to go back to the 70's and 80's and read the monthly Advisor Columns written by the late Dale Brandenburger and Steve Fielder on some of these same topics. We might all be surprised to find a lot of "the more things change, the more they stay the same". I certainly find many of their writings interesting in that way. Sure, some things have changed but a lot has not.

Regardless, it's all good and even better in today's world where we have an avenue such as this forum where anyone can voice their personal opinions. Love it all except for when its used to throw stones at each other.

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Originally posted by Team Mafia 2
After reading through these comments there is one rule that jumps out at me and that is scratching dogs without seeing what’s going on. I’m pretty laid back and easy to get a long with but I’m pretty certain I’d be on the Indefinite list if this happened at a hunt that meant something.

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Originally posted by JiM
Well, think back to the last time you saw or even heard about someone getting scratched for off game that wasn't seen and I think you will be safe about never getting on that list as long as you live. Or are you talking about SFF?

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
The big concern is that now someone will. Until one of the latest advisor columns no one even knew this was possible or within the rules.

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Oh my goodness, I thought that everyone knew that you didn't have to see a dog fight to scratch dogs in UKC. I learned that 20 years ago at Autumn Oaks.
Three dogs were treed and a fight broke out. When we got to the tree, they had gone back to treeing. One handler was adamant that his dog was not involved and wanted the other 2 dogs scratched so he questioned the no call and we took it back to MOH. MOH said , was there a fight" and then, "which dogs were involved". We answered maybe but we didn't see it. MOH said, "all three are scratched". I learned that night that you didn't have to see the fight in UKC. Now in that other KC, you have to see the fight. Maybe if you want to hunt with "light broke" dogs and dogs that will run a deer for a mile and then fall off and tree a coon, you should stay on that side of the ocean. The Amateurs like dogs that are fun to hunt with.

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Regardless, it's all good and even better in today's world where we have an avenue such as this forum where anyone can voice their personal opinions. Love it all except for when its used to throw stones at each other. [/B]

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