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Just to be clear it does not take a World Champion dog to pass the HTX hunt requirements, any decent dog should pass without any problems. A decent dog should go hunting, run and tree a coon without running tracks they don't tree, treeing off game or having a handling problem, treeing slick or any of the listed faults that UKC has listed as a failing fault. UKC even gives you 1 fault and you can still pass the HTX TEST. You tell me why your dog treed 3 coons and still failed the test and if you still consider that dog to be a coon dog. Dave

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Yes Sir., I would agree with you 100 percent. Having your dog prepared is the key to Competition and pleasure hunting. Tar and I both agree on the fact, that handlers had their dogs ready back in the 3 hour hunt days, you were prepared or you did not last long. A well prepared dog is a pleasure to hunt for fun orf competition. Dave

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Dave, to be fair... would you agree that if a dog

"A decent dog should go hunting, run and tree a coon without running tracks they don't tree, treeing off game or having a handling problem, treeing slick or any of the listed faults that UKC has listed as a failing fault."

does this consistently in a night hunt, they will have a good chance of winning?

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Thankfully, that can not happen in UKC HUNTS. Just the thought of winning a major hunt with nothing but minus points makes me SICK. Dave

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Dave if ukc keeps evolving in the $$$ hunt game they will have to start paying cast winners regardless of score. This generation always wants a winner.


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Dave, to be fair... would you agree that if a dog

"A decent dog should go hunting, run and tree a coon without running tracks they don't tree, treeing off game or having a handling problem, treeing slick or any of the listed faults that UKC has listed as a failing fault."

does this consistently in a night hunt, they will have a good chance of winning?

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Thank you for the clarification, yes, a dog needs to operate in the company of strange dogs to win competition hunts. Some dogs can and some dogs can not operate in dependently and you do need a competent handler to compliment the dog. I have seen really good dogs with bad handlers and I have seen sorry dogs with good handlers, good dogs with good handlers equal a winning team. Dave

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A dog that can tree coon on a consistent basis an has a handler that knows every move, sound that dog makes will win more than his fair share. That’s why I believe people whine an complain about the outcome on a given cast . They don’t know their dog . Better yet , didn’t have a dog to begin with. I messed up an my first dog I competition hunted with was an still is a coon dog. There is no short cuts to what you turn loose in these hunts. My dog is 9 years old now. He is a coon dog. I need to replace him with something younger. The truth is I am to lazy an have other things going on that henders me from doing that . Again, there is no short cuts to this game if you want to be a winner.

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A dog that can tree coon on a consistent basis an has a handler that knows every move, sound that dog makes will win more than his fair share. That’s why I believe people whine an complain about the outcome on a given cast . They don’t know their dog . Better yet , didn’t have a dog to begin with. I messed up an my first dog I competition hunted with was an still is a coon dog. There is no short cuts to what you turn loose in these hunts. My dog is 9 years old now. He is a coon dog. I need to replace him with something younger. The truth is I am to lazy an have other things going on that henders me from doing that . Again, there isno short cuts to this game if you want to be a winner.

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80% of all people I draw do not know their dog. Mostly because they stare at a Garmin and don’t listen to their dog.
Winning hunts or having a great coon treeing pleasure dog is not rocket science.
Go hunting and that means go hunting. Not one night a week for 45 minutes.
Second and most important point, don’t lie to yourself about what you leading.
Rarely can you make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

Has anyone ever noticed that certain guys always pack a pretty good dog and then there the same ones that just pack a dog.

Most people fall in love with the dog and ol blue becomes their buddy. Once that happen they feed the counterfeit it’s whole life making excuses nightly.

Life’s too short to lie to ones self about what’s on the dog lead.

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80% of all people I draw do not know their dog. Mostly because they stare at a Garmin and don’t listen to their dog.
Winning hunts or having a great coon treeing pleasure dog is not rocket science.
Go hunting and that means go hunting. Not one night a week for 45 minutes.
Second and most important point, don’t lie to yourself about what you leading.
Rarely can you make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

Has anyone ever noticed that certain guys always pack a pretty good dog and then there the same ones that just pack a dog.

Most people fall in love with the dog and ol blue becomes their buddy. Once that happen they feed the counterfeit it’s whole life making excuses nightly.

Life’s too short to lie to ones self about what’s on the dog lead.

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High ridge just said it all the person on the leash is what really matters and not a top handler either.The ones that put the shoe leather behind the dogs usaully come out on top and they know there dog also

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80% of all people I draw do not know their dog. Mostly because they stare at a Garmin and don’t listen to their dog.
Winning hunts or having a great coon treeing pleasure dog is not rocket science.
Go hunting and that means go hunting. Not one night a week for 45 minutes.
Second and most important point, don’t lie to yourself about what you leading.
Rarely can you make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

Has anyone ever noticed that certain guys always pack a pretty good dog and then there the same ones that just pack a dog.

Most people fall in love with the dog and ol blue becomes their buddy. Once that happen they feed the counterfeit it’s whole life making excuses nightly.

Life’s too short to lie to ones self about what’s on the dog lead.

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If you got one you got to hunt 5 nights a week to keep it sharp they ain’t a coondog or a meat dog. I have had them if I laid them up a week I had to start over it’s called being intellectually challenged and inconsistent.


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Tar if it's an old finished dog I might agree with you but if the dog is young enough to keep improving I don't. I like to hunt a young dog often and hard but not so much as to burn it out. Takes a lot of hunting to finish one out. By itself enough to make it independent and with strange dogs so it will operate with others and get along. All that with me learning every bark it makes. I kinda like to argue with ya anyway. Keeps ya from getting too fat and lazy.

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How old they got to be to be finished ? They better be consistent about treeing coons in any company at 2 yrs old or they get the boot here !! I have had them bad weather set in a couple weeks you cant go when you do they look the same. Had some you lay up 2 nights the go back to the idiot stage.



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I agree with what high ridge said because it is the truth...but I also agree a dog gets better when hunted especially if it is done right...

I also agree with Tar on a good hunting dog...they don’t need to be fed lots of tracks to make a hunting dog or to maintain one for consistent hunting at a decent level...but there is a minimum a pup or dog needs...I have believed this for many years and still do...

Yesterday I took a gyp out to hunt for the first time out...

I turned her out and she hit the ground running and searching...she mingled well with strange dogs and she trailed with my dogs and bayed...It was her first time on the wheeler and when she was tired out and ready to load she came up and wanted to load up...and she rode comfortably on the way back...I was pretty happy with her first time out...
Believe me when I say I have been through a ton of culls...

I do not keep a pup long that doesn’t do good pretty quick... I want natural from the get go...I like working with those that have it in them...

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80% of all people I draw do not know their dog. Mostly because they stare at a Garmin and don’t listen to their dog.
Winning hunts or having a great coon treeing pleasure dog is not rocket science.
Go hunting and that means go hunting. Not one night a week for 45 minutes.
Second and most important point, don’t lie to yourself about what you leading.
Rarely can you make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

Has anyone ever noticed that certain guys always pack a pretty good dog and then there the same ones that just pack a dog.

Most people fall in love with the dog and ol blue becomes their buddy. Once that happen they feed the counterfeit it’s whole life making excuses nightly.

Life’s too short to lie to ones self about what’s on the dog lead.

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Tar, I don’t think it is hunting them 5 nights a week to keep the dog sharp as much as it is hunting and trying to learn every bark and move they make.
No doubt you and several have had dogs that were consistent coon treers if laid up a month
And, no doubt you and others have laid in there with one enough to know when on river bank barking, when located a hole, when opened on some junk, when tapped a tree with a good locate that most would treed on.
Knowing that dogs moves and being calm cool and collected to make that split second call is what separates a lot of competition.
Lots of dogs can strike and tree a coon, lots of handlers can spit out strike and tree,but sit and think how many guys beat themselves when the heat gets on because they thought the dog sounded right.
AND, I HAVE SURE GOT CAUGHT UP IN THE MOMENT AND DONE IT MYSELF.

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Lol. We ALL have got caught up in the moment so to speak and made some bad calls. The good handlers learn from their mistakes, and as you said, the better you know your dog, the better you can call your dog. I have owned dogs that you could call treed on one locate bark and others that you could not call unless the locate sounded a certain way, you just got to know the dog. Knowing your dog takes a lot of time hunting in all conditions to see how they operate in different situations, there is NO shortcuts as some would suggest, ALL DOGS are different and act different. A top handler does way more than just strike and tree a dog on a hunt. Dave

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Tar, I don’t think it is hunting them 5 nights a week to keep the dog sharp as much as it is hunting and trying to learn every bark and move they make.
No doubt you and several have had dogs that were consistent coon treers if laid up a month
And, no doubt you and others have laid in there with one enough to know when on river bank barking, when located a hole, when opened on some junk, when tapped a tree with a good locate that most would treed on.
Knowing that dogs moves and being calm cool and collected to make that split second call is what separates a lot of competition.
Lots of dogs can strike and tree a coon, lots of handlers can spit out strike and tree,but sit and think how many guys beat themselves when the heat gets on because they thought the dog sounded right.
AND, I HAVE SURE GOT CAUGHT UP IN THE MOMENT AND DONE IT MYSELF.

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I couldn’t agree more.

We turn 4 dogs loose and they scatter to 4 corners of the earth and all tree with a coon in my opinion no one won. It was just a barking contest.

Now, years back when we all struck the same track and that one dog consistently beat you the tree by 30 seconds or more that dog was beating you.

Everyone can say what they want about ol Backing Bob but the reason we got on these death marches is the fact they can’t handle one when there is a group of them there.

Those days where way more exciting than today. I used to love running up these hills hoping to hear that roar of dogs ahead of the other guys. Lol

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I couldn’t agree more.

We turn 4 dogs loose and they scatter to 4 corners of the earth and all tree with a coon in my opinion no one won. It was just a barking contest.

Now, years back when we all struck the same track and that one dog consistently beat you the tree by 30 seconds or more that dog was beating you.

Everyone can say what they want about ol Backing Bob but the reason we got on these death marches is the fact they can’t handle one when there is a group of them there.

Those days where way more exciting than today. I used to love running up these hills hoping to hear that roar of dogs ahead of the other guys. Lol

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They don’t understand because they don’t want to. It’s easier to win with a mediocre dog that’s by itself than to train a coondog. That’s why when sombody finally comes up with a sure enough coondog it makes them dizzy. Many people had meat dogs when I was competing and you had to beat them heads up coon after coon.


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