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Does anyone know how many cast got shutout? Not talking about dead cast, that happens every weekend across the country. I'm talking about a shutout, where dogs hunted their area out and never opened.

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HW at this point it don't matter it's a week after the world hunt and people have quit talking about it already only ones it means anything to are the ones that were there and I congradualate them all.

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Yea but with today's dogs you could hunt them in the desert where there were not any coons at all and they would get struck and run a track lol.



Y'all so easy lol.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
HW at this point it don't matter it's a week after the world hunt and people have quit talking about it already only ones it means anything to are the ones that were there and I congradualate them all.

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Diller gate HW diller gate shhhhhhhh !!

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The most important thing to have when testing a dogs ability to produce game is ample game for that dog to be able to produce. At a quick glance of the numbers I came up with out of the top 100 dogs in the world hunt on round 1, 6 were able to get under 2 coon. 25 were able to get under 1 coon leaving 69 that were not able to get under any coon-thats 69 percent of the dogs that have proven they could tree more coon than the other several hundred at the zones that were not able to come up with a coon! counted in that were 8 completely dead casts. There were zero dead casts at Greencastle in round 1 last year! Round 2 saw 4 out of 17 (24 percent) unable to get under a coon even though they had in round 1. Round 3 had 5 out of 13 (38 percent) unable to get under a coon even though they had in round 1 and 2. The final round, and you have to believe they had the best available guide for the final cast, had 2 out of 3 (67 percent) unable to get under a coon even though they had in 3 prior rounds. Now if you can look at those numbers and conclude that Elberton Ga in September is a suitable location and has an ample coon population to test a coon hounds ability, then you and I have different ways of reasoning. Though it doesn't really matter what we debate on here, UKC is well aware now that this wasn't a good idea. They took it in the pocket book with way fewer entries at the zones and with this fiasco are well aware they would take it even harder if they chose to hold it down there again.

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X2 what he said !!

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? For people in northern states. Indiana,Ohio,Illinois ,Michigan. Do any of you all have game cameras out for deer? Are you getting any pics of coins? If so at what times. Temperature and weather make a big difference down here in the summer and this time of year. In the past 3 weeks on 21 game cameras in 3 different counties I'm getting the same type of photos. I'm getting coons at 11am-2:30pm. I'm getting coons again starting at between 2-3am until around 8:00am. In the past week while hanging stands I have seen 7 coon laying out in the trees during daylight.

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What I take from this world hunt is this:
1. Coons were there cause no cast in the entire hunt got shut out.
2. Most hounds entered did not have the drive, skill or endurance to handle hot, rough, hunting in thin southern coon.
3. Hunts in optimal hunting conditions with plentiful coon and cool weather tells you little about a dog's ability.

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Awwww horse dookie HW your one of the guys that didn't get qualified , didn't hunt , judge , and get through the zones and drive 14 hrs one way to get there and end up were the coons were on vacation or non exsistant or slept till midnight or they all got hit on the road or figured that everybody's dog there was junk anyhow so it wasent a challenge to them so they just set up in the trees and slept because it was to hot and they were not hungry as I said horse dookie.

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They weren't on vacation or hit by cars or non existent cause ever cast there struck 1

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What I take from this world hunt is this:
1. Coons were there cause no cast in the entire hunt got shut out.
2. Most hounds entered did not have the drive, skill or endurance to handle hot, rough, hunting in thin southern coon.
3. Hunts in optimal hunting conditions with plentiful coon and cool weather tells you little about a dog's ability.

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What was all the minus points for?. If they open on track they should be able to tree it.

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Coonhunting is Coonhunting. Even in the exact same spots night after night the coons feed times and habit changes. There is no guarantee in this sport.
I have been to places and turned out 3 dogs. They had a variety of experience and ability between them. 1st night they all looked good and looked like coonhounds. Two nights later, guys wanted to visit the same spot. We had total different results. One dog after an hour kept ranging out and did get one treed 2 miles away. The other two were still in the honey hole barking around not accomplishing anything. The coon had vacated or were laid up. Laid up coons without a lay-up dog is just like not having any coon. Actually worse because there might be enough scent to get one excited enough to bark but not enough scent for him to figure out where the coon is.

There is nothing easy about this sport. I think a persons mind will play more tricks on them about what their dog is doing than anything else in life. I can tell you the best feeling a coonhunter can experience is coming in at 2 or 3 in the morning and feeling so excited about what his dog did he can't sleep and can't wait till it gets dark again.

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What was all the minus points for?. If they open on track they should be able to tree it.

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That's what I'm saying, yes it may have been tough hunting conditions but honest people take there minus and dogs do make mistakes, it's hard to overcome when in not ideal hunting

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With a clueless response such as this one, you should have your board privileges taken for life. The 3 points you made are not only insulting to those that were there they are so far off I shouldn't even be taking the time to respond.

This is coon hunting right? Heaven forbid there actually be a few of those rascals to get after. I think people like this guy was happy seeing so many hounds come up empty.

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Originally posted by cole run
This is a easy fix if you don't like where it is going to be held don't go . You get plenty of time to know where it is going to be held at. if you don't like location don't qualify your dog save a lot of time and money that way

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If my dog doesn't perform I blame my dog for his performance or myself for his conditioning. I don't blame a kennel club for their choice of locations. I don't blame the location for having considerably less coon and harder hunting conditions than what myself & my hound are accustomed to.

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Numerous people have posted how attendance would drop and people won't show up to RQE etc. if UKC holds anymore (World Championships) in the South. What is the validity of a (World Champ) that can't win except in the North, or the South?

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Go back and look at the locations over the last 10 years, they alternate every year, North South North South. If you dont like one direction, wait till next year and it will be the other direction.

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The most important thing to have when testing a dogs ability to produce game is ample game for that dog to be able to produce. At a quick glance of the numbers I came up with out of the top 100 dogs in the world hunt on round 1, 6 were able to get under 2 coon. 25 were able to get under 1 coon leaving 69 that were not able to get under any coon-thats 69 percent of the dogs that have proven they could tree more coon than the other several hundred at the zones that were not able to come up with a coon! counted in that were 8 completely dead casts. There were zero dead casts at Greencastle in round 1 last year! Round 2 saw 4 out of 17 (24 percent) unable to get under a coon even though they had in round 1. Round 3 had 5 out of 13 (38 percent) unable to get under a coon even though they had in round 1 and 2. The final round, and you have to believe they had the best available guide for the final cast, had 2 out of 3 (67 percent) unable to get under a coon even though they had in 3 prior rounds. Now if you can look at those numbers and conclude that Elberton Ga in September is a suitable location and has an ample coon population to test a coon hounds ability, then you and I have different ways of reasoning. Though it doesn't really matter what we debate on here, UKC is well aware now that this wasn't a good idea. They took it in the pocket book with way fewer entries at the zones and with this fiasco are well aware they would take it even harder if they chose to hold it down there again.

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The most important thing to have when testing a dogs ability to produce game is ample game for that dog to be able to produce. At a quick glance of the numbers I came up with out of the top 100 dogs in the world hunt on round 1, 6 were able to get under 2 coon. 25 were able to get under 1 coon leaving 69 that were not able to get under any coon-thats 69 percent of the dogs that have proven they could tree more coon than the other several hundred at the zones that were not able to come up with a coon! counted in that were 8 completely dead casts. There were zero dead casts at Greencastle in round 1 last year! Round 2 saw 4 out of 17 (24 percent) unable to get under a coon even though they had in round 1. Round 3 had 5 out of 13 (38 percent) unable to get under a coon even though they had in round 1 and 2. The final round, and you have to believe they had the best available guide for the final cast, had 2 out of 3 (67 percent) unable to get under a coon even though they had in 3 prior rounds. Now if you can look at those numbers and conclude that Elberton Ga in September is a suitable location and has an ample coon population to test a coon hounds ability, then you and I have different ways of reasoning. Though it doesn't really matter what we debate on here, UKC is well aware now that this wasn't a good idea. They took it in the pocket book with way fewer entries at the zones and with this fiasco are well aware they would take it even harder if they chose to hold it down there again.

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Agreed. Those numbers are sad. To think that many dogs came in with minus is unfathomable. That many dogs striking and treeing with nothing to show is staggering.

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