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hotshot1
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Obama

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Originally posted by liberalcreek
Actually, the idea of a bailout come from the Senate.Bush cannot pass or even vote on it.

The President has veto power. You need to learn how government works.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Obama

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Where were they several years ago when bush and the Rep's were trying to warn people of this?? Oh, In know, they were blocking any attempt at a open books investigation and claiming everything was okay at F-mae and F-Mac.

There is plenty of blame on both sides of the aisle for the housing mess as this article clearly states. http://ktcatspost.blogspot.com/2008...s-no-party.html

To think otherwise means you are a partisen HACK.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Obama

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The President has veto power. You need to learn how government works.

2/3rds vote majority in the Senate will override the Presdients Veto. And the Senate had it.

It looks like YOU are the one who needs to brush up on how the Govt works. You should make sure you know what you are talking about before you tell others they need to "learn" something. LOL! You dont go to school with treemine do you??

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Obama

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Originally posted by liberalcreek
2/3rds vote majority in the Senate will override the Presdients Veto. And the Senate had it.

It looks like YOU are the one who needs to brush up on how the Govt works. You should make sure you know what you are talking about before you tell others they need to "learn" something. LOL! You dont go to school with treemine do you??

Some of those 2/3 had to be republicans which proves my point all along and as you said yourself, Bush was for it. NO sane person would be against preventing a depression would they?

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Obama

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Originally posted by hotshot1
There is plenty of blame on both sides of the aisle for the housing mess as this article clearly states. http://ktcatspost.blogspot.com/2008...s-no-party.html

To think otherwise means you are a partisen HACK.

All I have to do is watch the videos and votes on who kept the Govt housing handouts in place and who was forcing the banks to give unsecured, insane loans all the way up to 2009.
Why did the Democrats block any investigations and claim the program was sound and in no trouble? Why did they decide to let it come to light RIGHT BEFORE AN ELECTION?? It was a planned scheme.
There is no other explanation. Create a crisis, use it to your advantage, and make it look like your party found it, tried to fix it, etc.

Do you want to see the videos of the Democrats blocking the Republicans from investigating the housing mortgage institutions? Do you want to see the Democrats condemning the Republicans and claiming everything was fine and dandy?

I am not a "partisan". I am an American that has sworn an oath to protect the Constitution of this country. Maybe if the Dem party would quit trying to outlaw everything this country stands for and made it great, I could support them better. So far, all I can see they are for is killing innocent children here and around the world with taxpayer money, undermining the constitution, disarming the public,controlling every facet of our lives, and telling us who can be born and when you should die.

I have two little things called "liberty" and "morals" than wont allow me to support the Democrat party.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Obama

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Some of those 2/3 had to be republicans which proves my point all along and as you said yourself, Bush was for it. NO sane person would be against preventing a depression would they?

The Senate had a Dem majority. You do remember them?? They had the lowest rating of ANY Senate in history.

Funny how the Stimulus passed on the promise by Obama and other Dem's that if it wasn't done that very day America would collapse. Odd that it didn't, and American continued on functioning for several months with none of the money being spent.

The stimulus was created to increase the size of Govt.

Socialists have had it wrong for 2 centuries. You dont get out of debt by spending money you don't have. That only works in liberal politics and a tyrannical Govt hellbent on putting this country to the lowest it has ever been so their full takeover will be made much easier.

Obama's Communist mentor and author said that if you can stress the American people, create a crisis, and use that crisis to allow the Govt to take over the business and banks in the country it would be less than 15 years before America would be a full blown Socialist country.

What is happening isnt a surprise. Obama and the Dem's didnt hide it. They openly told what they were going to do. And they knew there would be people like YOU that would run block and cover for them no matter what.

If Obama said all the first born was to be murdered tomorrow , you and a few other's on here would put a positive spin on it.

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OH HELL BOYS I DON'T EVEN LIKE BEER,BUT IF I TALK TOO THE PRESIDENT, I WOOD REACH DOWN AND PULL OUT
A GALLON OF KY MOONSHINE, AND SAY LETS TALK,
AND THEN WHEN WE FINISH THAT GALLON OFF,
[[[ I WOULD SAY MR. PRESIDENT LETS TAKE SOME OF THAT
MONEY AND BUY US A COON DOG AND RUN THE PURINA RACE,, ]]]]]]]]]]]]]] THAT WILL TAKE ALL THAT RACISUM OUT!!!!!

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If? There's the spin.

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Originally posted by hardtymes
OH HELL BOYS I DON'T EVEN LIKE BEER,BUT IF I TALK TOO THE PRESIDENT, I WOOD REACH DOWN AND PULL OUT
A GALLON OF KY MOONSHINE, AND SAY LETS TALK,
AND THEN WHEN WE FINISH THAT GALLON OFF,
[[[ I WOULD SAY MR. PRESIDENT LETS TAKE SOME OF THAT
MONEY AND BUY US A COON DOG AND RUN THE PURINA RACE,, ]]]]]]]]]]]]]] THAT WILL TAKE ALL THAT RACISUM OUT!!!!!

Welcome to the fun post's hardtymes !!!!!!!!!
Don't waste the shine on the president, wait till I come down the again !!!!!!

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Originally posted by treemine2
I voted for the first time last november. My prof's at school said obama was going to put in the perfect govt that had been tried in other countries but never allowed to be fulfilled and work because countries like ours ran by greedy free market people didnt want it to catch on. america created lies about htiler, stalin and other presidents top get the american people behind their war to stifle a better way of goverment. The goverment needs to take over the big business places and make them pay people more and make their goods and service cheaper. obama is going to make it work here.we jsut have to get behind him and not tear him down. yes we can.
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can I have some of whatever you are drinking and or smoking? I mean you got to be doing one or both to believe and or think that line of b.s.

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john nannemann
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quote:
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John, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

i'd say laugh this time. if that b.s. treemine2 wrote wasn't sarcasm it should have been. i know what you mean though.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Obama

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Originally posted by liberalcreek
The Senate had a Dem majority. You do remember them?? ,

Yes, but it wasn't a 2/3rds majority. It would have taken some republicans on board to over ride a veto from the president. Getting out of the hole we are in will take time. All will see a great improvement by this time next year. It well be gradual.

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Economy showing signs of improvement. http://thehill.com/leading-the-news...2009-07-31.html

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Obama

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Yes, but it wasn't a 2/3rds majority. It would have taken some republicans on board to over ride a veto from the president. Getting out of the hole we are in will take time. All will see a great improvement by this time next year. It well be gradual.

Obama said that the stimulus wasnt supposed to work fast, taking 2-3 years to even begin to see ANY improvement and then you say we are seeing improvement?

Which is it? Are you saying that the situation corrected itself like most free market capitalists said it would?

As for the 2/3rdsmajority, I already addressed that. Not many politicians on EITHER side of the line wanted to be the one who said they went against something that the media was proclaiming we desperately needed.

It was a masterfully executed plan by Obama and the DNC. create a crisis right before the election, use the media which is on your side to scare the public, stretch the truth about the situation and dare ANY republican to deny passage and make themselves look bad to their voters.

YOU fell for it.

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Re: Re: If you were to have a beer with

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DO YOU KNOW KNOX HE IS ONE OF YOUR BIGGEST FANS ON THE UKC BOARD........D???.... MR.PRESIDENT ...HE MIGHT BE YOUR ONLY FAN ON THERE.......

I never claimed to be a fan of Obama, but I know that the man has not been given a fair chance..........look at what a mess this country was in when Obama took office.....

But, I will say this.............If I support him, voted for him, then that is my right.............You think your way and I will think mine.

Thats the problem on here, there are certain ones that if you dont think, act,vote, drink the same drinks, .....or maybe use the same toilet paper as them then they get really radical, almost insane....They want to control everyones lives .....................................!!!!!!........LOL.

.........Thats All..........................................................Tim

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quote:
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Economy showing signs of improvement. http://thehill.com/leading-the-news...2009-07-31.html

All headlines from today.

So who is right?

Economy 2 times worse than originally thought.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...id=aNivTjr852TI

Dollar drops to all time low, contraction sets in.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...id=aDltYq6YK_Wc

GDP drops to -1%
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090731/D99PEFPO0.html

Signs of weakness in economy boosts treasury's
http://www.breitbart.com/article.ph...;show_article=1

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I wonder.........

How many just on this site lost their jobs during the Clinton years, and then the same question for the Bush years and the 7 months Obama has been in office ( which we know is the after-shock trickling down from the Bush years )......?

Just wondering...............................................Tim

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Re: Re: Re: If you were to have a beer with

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They want to control everyones lives

Do you know what hypocrite means?? You rant and rave yet you voted for a man who wants to control what kind of vehicle you can drive, when, how much,and what kind of healthcare you and your family can receive, how much money you can make, and where you can take vacations.

Like I said earlier, Man up.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: If you were to have a beer with

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Do you know what hypocrite means?? You rant and rave yet you voted for a man who wants to control what kind of vehicle you can drive, when, how much,and what kind of healthcare you and your family can receive, how much money you can make, and where you can take vacations.

Like I said earlier, Man up.

Like I said in earlier posts...........Get some help, you need it..!!..LOL

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Obama

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Obama said that the stimulus wasnt supposed to work fast, taking 2-3 years to even begin to see ANY improvement and then you say we are seeing improvement?

I don't believe Obama ever said it would take 2 years to see any improvement. He has said it would be a slow process. You cannot correct a near depression overnight.

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Re: I wonder.........

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How many just on this site lost their jobs during the Clinton years, and then the same question for the Bush years and the 7 months Obama has been in office ( which we know is the after-shock trickling down from the Bush years )......?

Just wondering...............................................Tim

So let me get this straight. People had jobs in the Clinton years because of Clinton and what he did during his term. But people lost jobs during the Bush years because of what Bush done?

But people losing jobs during Obama's term is GW's fault?

The unemployment under GW never reached the highest that it did during the Clinton years. The first 6 years of GW's term saw the highest economic growth we have seen in a long time. Oddly enough, about the time the Dem's got control of the Senate things started going downhill. The staged "crisis", their failure to step in during the gas price fiasco, them talking of raising taxes during a

Nawwwww, that had nothing to do with the economy at all.

Some folks need to "man up".

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Obama

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I don't believe Obama ever said it would take 2 years to see any improvement.

Yes he did.
http://www.democraticunderground.co...ess=132x8523341

You dont know your messiah very well. But I guess that explains why you voted for him.

Now spin that one Hotshot. I am going back out for drop#2 tonight with my pup. Catch ya in the morning.

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quote:
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All headlines from today.

So who is right?

Economy 2 times worse than originally thought.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...id=aNivTjr852TI

Dollar drops to all time low, contraction sets in.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...id=aDltYq6YK_Wc

GDP drops to -1%
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090731/D99PEFPO0.html

Signs of weakness in economy boosts treasury's
http://www.breitbart.com/article.ph...;show_article=1

All are correct. The article I posted clearly states that times are still bad but are gradually getting better.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If you were to have a beer with

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Like I said in earlier posts...........Get some help, you need it..!!..LOL

In other words, you cant logically refute what I posted.

Man up.

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Re: Re: I wonder.........

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So let me get this straight. People had jobs in the Clinton years because of Clinton and what he did during his term. But people lost jobs during the Bush years because of what Bush done?

But people losing jobs during Obama's term is GW's fault?

The unemployment under GW never reached the highest that it did during the Clinton years. The first 6 years of GW's term saw the highest economic growth we have seen in a long time. Oddly enough, about the time the Dem's got control of the Senate things started going downhill. The staged "crisis", their failure to step in during the gas price fiasco, them talking of raising taxes during a

Nawwwww, that had nothing to do with the economy at all.

Some folks need to "man up".

Under the Clinton years company's were booming..I dont know of anyone that lost their job....when Bush was elected the first term we were still feeling the good effects from Clinton, its during Bush's 2nd term that he drove this country BANKRUPT.....................................
Some folks just need to get off the Prozac and get some real help, .........LOL...........................................

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