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You mean am I getting ready for the destruction of the best healthcare system in the world?

Nothing for me to get ready for. I can't change it. Ignorance is rampant and our great healthcare will be replaced by piss poor care. People don't realize what they ask for when they want to be more like Europe, like no one over 55 allowed to have new dialysis, sorry just tell your wife/kids that you will die in about a week. Surgery not allowed to be performed on people over a certian age no matter how healthy they are, waiting until after cancer is metastatic to be able to even get a colonoscopy to see if your rectal bleeding is from cancer. Yep, we are gonna save money all right, as with any socialist form of healthcare the more people that die young and the more care that is denied the more the gubment saves.

I can only hope to have enough to retire before it gets too bad.

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Rip,
figured that would fire you up-lo, agree that we have if not the best, amongst the very best in the world in health care systems, but no where near that in access to this great system... do not agree that all of europe is a total failure in health care, propoganda both sides, not perfect- but ours is far from it as well, have many relatives in germany and they are strong advocates of that system.... not sure we need national health insurance, but we do need a health care agenda... world statistics do not rate us near the top in many health categories, we should-could be there... guess time will tell what happens, would best be left to the medical experts such as yourself, but that is not the way of the political world...

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You know, I've been in these threads and read all of them. One thing I know, is that we will never all see the same opinion, which is what makes our country great and allows us to openly discuss and make ourselves smarter. Living is a learning process by which grows us as human beings. No matter what your views, just keep in mind our freedoms were fought for not just a freedom without loss. Randy, I as well served and was in law enforcement, so I find it funny that Graf was comparing his role in a plant as to the men and women who are actually serving or served on the front lines. He even goes as far as to say we don't understand or aren't trained as well as he is...I beg to differ, I would put my training in various chemicals and first responder knowledge up against anyone! Anyway, Merry Christmas to all and Happy New Year. I'm getting burnt out with all the argueing on this thread..Just remember to appreciate what we have regardless of your opinions or beliefs!!

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Rip I still don't believe it and I read it. Wow that just freaks me out and caught me totally off guard. Me and you both know it did'nt take that for the dems to win. After 8 years of bush it was a no brainer. It didnt take the brainwashing of America to pull that off. He won for one reason and one reason only, people are upset at bush and McCain got out-classed. Simple as that and we both know it. John Kerry got more votes than John McCain. That tells you something right there.

Again, I'm really having a hard time that you actually believe that. You call those people "Looney Liberals"...the rest of us call them dam fools. Why would you actually believe what a fool says whether on the left, or right...

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Read the post again. I didn't say McCain lost because of it.

What I did say was looney liberals were openly rooting FOR the terrorists to obtain victories in order to further embarass the sitting President for political gain.

They openly did this, it is not implied, not infered, they openly rooted AGAINST the USA.

Their logic was that it would "help" the US in the long run by defacing the evil Republican party and the evil President Bush. They were representing the Democratic Party when they were saying these things, and they earned the name Looney Liberals by doing so. Air America is supposed to be the answer to Conservative talk radio, these were the nuts wishing for a terrorist win. Some said it was to "help" the USA in the long run, some said "the USA deserves it for occupying Iraq" etc etc. These were people in the mainstream of the Democratic party and they earned their nickname.

There's crazy people on the right as well, but they weren't rooting for the terrorists and aren't on the radio/media spewing their crap.

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Im no fan of W. Bush, but I would have liked to jump on that #@%$% that threw the shoe and beat him in the head then take a Porkchop and stick in his throat and hold his mouth shut like giving a pup a worm pill.

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Rip now we both know where all the obama crap was coming from. You couldnt type in obama without all the terrorist socialist blah blah blah. There are a certain amount of idiots in this world. You should know better to believe what your hear on talk radio thats not the news. Those are people that sell memberships to their site, sell bumpber stickers and tshirts and spread propaganda to get listeners. Why would you take that serious?? 99.999% know a fool when they hear one.

Do you remember the heavens gate ordeal several years back? Something about the comet coming over and they were gonna kill themselves and ride the comet? He convinced what about a dozen people to do this? Well, we know who the biggest dozen of fools are now dont we?

Rip, like rrs said you are way more intelligent than to fall for a trap. To honestly believe because a handful of idiots said they wanted another attack so their man could get elected isn't even a option. Sure, like the case above you can throw anything out there and the biggest idiots will fall for it. Heck out of 300 million people, I'm sure I can convince 10 people to hold hands and jump off the empire state building and it'll be OK because I sprinkled ground up fairy wings on their elbows...

'Furthur embarass' the sitting President????? Rip how much lower does it get? I'm sitting watching obama behind a "President Elect of the United States" sign on a podium talking about the economy and the 'sitting President' is over in iraq getting shoes thrown at him for Gods sake.

When I was 18, If I was bush and someone threw a shoe at me, I'd put that shoe on and kicked him so hard in his ass we'd have a three legged race all the way back to texas. Him running and me hopping. I'm hitting my mid 40's and my thinking is changing. I'm not near as quick to judge...

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"Kim Jong-Un speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.” An actual sitting US President said that. Let that sink in.

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so I find it funny that Graf was comparing his role in a plant as to the men and women who are actually serving or served on the front lines. He even goes as far as to say we don't understand or aren't trained as well as he is...I beg to differ, I would put my training in various chemicals and first responder knowledge up against anyone!

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This is President Bush's war. He convinced the American people that it was necessary.

What was your main point?
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Hey Kyle, The democrats were fighting for this war to happen LONG before GW was ever in office.

Oddly enough 99% of the Democrats voted for "GW's war".

Funny how you folks have selective memories when it comes to the truth.

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Hey Kyle, The democrats were fighting for this war to happen LONG before GW was ever in office.

Oddly enough 99% of the Democrats voted for "GW's war".

Funny how you folks have selective memories when it comes to the truth.

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The Terrorsist convinced the American People that the war was necessary when they flew planes into our buildings and killed thousands of innocent civilians on American soil.

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Hey Kyle, The democrats were fighting for this war to happen LONG before GW was ever in office.

Oddly enough 99% of the Democrats voted for "GW's war".

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We didn't pull out of Afghanistan early. We stalled out in the mountains when winter set in. (Operation Anaconda) This gave Al Queda time to pull back into the mountains of Pakistan. The Patriot Act.....if they have reasonable suspicion to believe that suspected terrorism is a foot.............let them listen to my phone. I don't have one thing to hide. Clinton cut the FBI, CIA, NSA and tied the hands of what was left. Intel practically came to a halt..........9/11. A close allie and friend, the Brits, have admitted to giving bad intel on WMD's in Iraq. The last inspectors in Iraq before Saddam cut access and then threw them out were the Brits. DO NOT LISTEN TO THE MEDIA and develope an impression from them. Get your head out of the newspaper and develope objective reasoning, not, subjective. Saddam had WMDs. we gave them to him. We couldn't find where he hid them. Try the economy. I'm not schooled enough on the that for answer.

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Kyle W. Graf, and others that are thinking the same thing,

I told myself that I wouldn't reply to anymore of the threads that didn't relate to coon hunting, but after reading this, I feel the need to....Some of the above information is totally false and inaccurate. I don't care if you listen to every "so-called expert" the world knows debate it. You can be assured this "expert" knows from 1st hand experience from 3 prior deployments and getting prepared to make my 4th trip over the big water to SWA, but this one will be better for me b/c I will be going as a Dept of the Army Civilian, but still very meaningful and important to me....back to the topic, majority of the funding was traced to Saudi Arabia. A lot of the terrorists training and recruitment funding was from Iraq. Many terrorists and Al Qaeda members were located in Iraq along with many Al Qaeda camps. Others were in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran. It is amazing to know what fellow Americans watch on tv that is portrayed by the media and actually believe the BS!! I can tell you that many GREAT things are going on over in SWA. For one sorry lame and pathetic reporter that chose to disrespect OUR great country, Commander in Chief, and President of this great country does NOT show a **** thing about what or how the citizens of Iraq feel toward the great USA or our President. Tell that reporter to walk thru streets of his country and talk to the men, women and children and ask them what they think!!! Then you will get to part of the rest of the story......It is amazing just to know some of the children over there can read and write and get to go to school and learn now.

AnnieP, I will say this as calm and nicely as I can possibly be....from several posts that you have made on this message board, you seem to be intelligent, smart and have common sense. With that being said, how in the hell would or could you watch something the media portrays, says or shows a video of and accuse OUR warfighters of stooping to their level and NOT acting with honor?!?!?! I can assure you again, they don't fight fair, and I can assure you, we follow the rules of engagement. I can assure you when you see women and children having remote bombs strapped to their chest and sent down the street, you will learn quick their style of battle. I can assure you OUR servicemen and women act with honor! For you to assume or believe they don't is a crock! If you would like to find out for sure, and be able to use your "freedom of speech" to speak the truth and facts, go sign up and volunteer. I know the Army is offering good incentives to join right now. You are right, you have the right to say what you want, but at least know what you are saying before you assume things and it is something that can be taken away.

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from me and my family to you... THANKS,, thanks for your time, your commitment and giving heart.. those like yourself is why i have the freedom's i have today!!

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Kyle W. Graf, is this the appropriate way that you would like to be addressed...is this courteous enough for your liking?? I'm not sure exactly what your point was about the name thing, I call alot of people I know by their last names. My point...you are a know it all that just wants to argue because you think since you watch CNN that you actually know what you are talking about. I have dealt with people such as yourself, I don't run out of adrenaline, I've been trained to run beyond adrenaline. You have many opinions about how things should be ran and how the wars should be fought, but yet to answer if you have ever had the courage to serve your country?? I could argue with you all day and night, but why...just to give you something to do and to make you keep telling yourself...gee...I am pretty smart and pat yourself on the back?? I don't feel the need to stroke your ego anymore than it already is. I am glad to see though that you continue to read my threads and can keep quoting them so vigorously. Like the first one in your last thread showed, you stated I didn't know as much as I claim to know...I would beg to diifer that statement and I believe would show that in my previous statements, If you knew so much about what you are talking about, you would know WMD's can be delivered many various ways. Such as ...mail,air,touch,food,water,missiles and on and on. So you think Saddam couldn't have a delivery man use it in America, look at 9/11 we never thought before that day that something like that would ever happen here either. I will not continue to debate these issues with you, I have more knowledge and experience in these matters than you I would assure you. If you really want to do something constructive, help your own state fix their political problems they are having right now. I assume it would be an easy fix for you with all the knowledge you show to demonstrate. I will end with that, I am running out of Adrenaline once again...whewwwww! Good day Kyle W. Graf

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Wingman, these were people IN THE DNC, HARRY RIED DEMOCRATIC SENATOR. He is part of the Looney Left.

I also stated SEVERAL times that I have no problem with liberals, many good friends are liberals.

I DO have a problem with the Looney Left, of which Air America, grassroots.org, many in the DNC and the mainstream media are a part of. These people openly rooted FOR the terrorist.

I don't know why you are having such a reading comprehension problem. Do you not understand that I am talking about a specific group of people? I'm not talking about you unless you were one of the ones that was rooting for the terrorists.

There is a large group of the left that are the Looney Left, they include many people. We are not talking about a small segment here but probably 20% or maybe even more of the Democratic party.

That's a big difference in the Haley's Comet cult which was bout 20 people total. I'm talking about a substantial part of the Democratic party, fringe group they are, but they do make up a goodly proportion. And they REPRESENT the democratic party when they say those things on Air America and on the Nightly News in the case of the sitting congressmen saying those things.

I swear I don't know why you are having such a hard time believing this unless you are the one drinking the kool-aide thinking Democrat=Good Republican=Evil. Those are another group called Yellow Dog Democrats, those that would vote for a yellow dog if it had a D beside it's name.

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As far as selective memory goes. The vote in congress was an exercise to show support for President Bush. Remember he had a secret source of intelligence saying Sadam had WMD's he was going to use on us.

Do you remember that political environment? Anyone that questioned President Bush was labeled Anti American. Do you remember what they said about Russ Feingold when he voted against the Patriot Act? It turns out that Russ Feingold was the true patriot. The Patriot Act is probably the most Anti American bill ever passed.

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triot Act? It turns out that Russ Feingold was the true patriot. The Patriot Act is probably the most Anti American bill ever passed.

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AnnieP, I will say this as calm and nicely as I can possibly be....from several posts that you have made on this message board, you seem to be intelligent, smart and have common sense. With that being said, how in the hell would or could you watch something the media portrays, says or shows a video of and accuse OUR warfighters of stooping to their level and NOT acting with honor?!?!?! I can assure you again, they don't fight fair, and I can assure you, we follow the rules of engagement. I can assure you when you see women and children having remote bombs strapped to their chest and sent down the street, you will learn quick their style of battle. I can assure you OUR servicemen and women act with honor! For you to assume or believe they don't is a crock! If you would like to find out for sure, and be able to use your "freedom of speech" to speak the truth and facts, go sign up and volunteer. I know the Army is offering good incentives to join right now. You are right, you have the right to say what you want, but at least know what you are saying before you assume things and it is something that can be taken away.

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Like I said, best to bring up the economy. Some of us experienced it. We didn't READ about it. If there is a typo or I used the wrong vocabulary I apologize for Josh and I. We were defending our country and missed college........ I'm sure he followed orders. There is a an Army post that they send military people that don't or can't follow orders, Fort Leavenworth. I don't believe that was on his resume.

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