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John Carroll
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Originally posted by Tom Jones
I hunt creeks and rivers, I wont mine running as fast as they can to the first track or layin up the first coon close to the creek, he better not spend 20 mins. on that creek in that section. thats just what I like and nobody else has to.

not arguing Voyd and John, thats just what I like and the best imo for how I like to hunt

Tom, I think we are saying the same things.

I want mine to break hard too, and you can testify that she will.

This is a spit and whittle corner, and most coon hunters would rather argue than eat.

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Tom, I hate a dog that leaves running then gets out of sight then trotts around checking trees looking for a tree to lean on,( usually a empty den tree) I want dogs to hunt hard and go the distance to find a coon.

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I love to hear a Blue dog setting threw country by itself, cutting them off. I have never owned a dog that hunted too hard, I want them whipping and driving. GET DEEP SON !! GET DEEP!!

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I love to hear a Blue dog setting threw country by itself, cutting them off. I have never owned a dog that hunted too hard, I want them whipping and driving. GET DEEP SON !! GET DEEP!!

I can solve your problem if you're tough enough to follow it.

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Chiggers
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I can solve your problem if you're tough enough to follow it.

Dont got to be to tough, just get in the truck and drive closer, most time its less walking. send me a pm, what you got.

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look for mark baers # in bioodlines mag and talk to him about his law dog you will not be disapointed with those pups they start fast and true great noses loud mouths and drives a track like a walker

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look for mark baers # in bioodlines mag and talk to him about his law dog you will not be disapointed with those pups they start fast and true great noses loud mouths and drives a track like a walker

what chop mouthed and aimlessly ? these walker hunters crack me up ! I love drawing out with your kind, think you got it won before we even cut'em loose.

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
Kelly , both Tom and I gave props to what was said to be a good cross ... and in all the years you posted on this board you never got that brave til' AJ died and it was too late to compare them .

AJ did alot of winning and John Wilson is about as good a guy to hunt with or talk to as you will find .. so your post was pretty amped up considering you were just venting for no reason.

Most good dogs end up in good hands and get the due they got coming ... lines of dogs don't dry up for no reason and if folks bred less than 1 bitch a year to Rock , there was also a good reason , whatever it may be .

I was raised around blueticks , and I like to argue .. but gosh dang ... yall like to argue so much that you will kick your own dead dog just to brag on the one you are feeding ... effen ridiculous.

Hang on there Fella, I just didnt get the courage to say that. It just goes to show that you dont know what the hell you are talking about! Rock and AJ were turned loose together about 100 times. Do you want to know how many times AJ beat ROCK? Once! So since we bred the dogs, raised the dogs and hunted them together at least 100 times, I think I am qualified to make a statement like that if I want to. Oh, and when I made that statement I was on the phone with Ricky Tankersley, the man who owned AJ, not his handler but his owner. The reason people have not bred to Rock no more than they have was because Arkie was alive for most of Rock's life and my Dad handled all the breeding stuff. I would never send Rock to my dad's to be put up for stud because I did that with Arkie when he was 3 and never got to hunt him again. I will not promote another dog untill my kids are out of athletics.

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only thing I have said about rock is that Roger should breed to him, jmo. I have hunted with 8-12 hounds off of a.j. and imo that should be enough to get a feel what a hound is throwing. your also right I believe their was 2 I seen with no hunt to them and they didnt last long. I also now for a fact that a.j. had one thing on his mind when he was cut loose.................tree a coon. seen him miss twice in probally 40 drops or so. I think you should re-read the post Kelly and then determine if I was comparing your dog to anybodies.

Here is the deal, I know you have hunted with AJ and pups off him. AJ was a good dog! I never said he wasnt, but what I am telling you is I know ever single thing there is to know about AJ. I know he changed hands exactly 5 times before he treed his 1st coon, I also know he was hunted about 30 times before he treed for the 1st time. I know many times AJ would run, and run, and run all night without ever making a tree, and sometimes he would pull and leave a coon in a tree, he also had a babbling problem, Ricky broke him of that while we were hunting him. You are right about one thing for sure, he didnt miss many coon. Now with these problems I mentioned, AJ still made a good hound, he was a good strike dog, big mouth, very hard treedog, didnt need any help to tree a coon, had a awesome locate, not mean in any way. AJ overcame alot of adversity to make the dog he did and I am proud to say I once owned him. but In my opinion he should never been promoted as a Stud dog, when a dog is NOT a Natural then his pups are more often going to have problems than not. When I am looking for a stud I am not going to consider one that had lots of problems as a young dog. One more thing, Ricky GAVE (as in FREE) John Wilson 1/2 intrest in AJ, all he needed was a 1st to be Nite Ch. Again I am not downing AJ, he was way better than alot of folks had, but he was nowhere near the caliber dog his brother or even 4 or 5 of his brothers were. I know you wrent really comparing the 2 dogs but the post was about studs throwing hard going pups. Then it was very nice of you to suggest Rock. Then Justin said Rock and AJ were basicly 2 hard going dogs, then you said you seen some pups off AJ that didnt have any hunt in them, so right there the association was made. AJ and Rock were 2 different dogs and just because dogs are littermates doesnt mean they wll reproduce the same. Sorry to come on as strong as I did.

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Kelly you are right, weird how genetics work. One would think that if a dog made an extra nice hound the littermates should too. Not at all the case though!
Breeding is something very thoughtful and irritating at the same time.
Something works better keep doing it! I would venture to say not many perfect hounds out there.

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Originally posted by Tom Jones
lol. good post and its sad but true. I talked to Ricky on the phone and was told he was sent up here because he didnt want to follow a.j. when he was young as he was to GUNG HO !! What is funny is I am pretty sure a.j. has more pups then Rock, Kelly dont have a clue. Just sitting here thinking about it, I believe I have been with over a dozen of them. MAybe they was all from the same cross though. lol

dont worry Kelly, I aint gonna go tell John your pretty much calling his dog a p.o.s.

1st of all, Ricky sent him up there because he was 2 "Gung Ho"? I suppose you think that meant he was treeing to many coon? No, it meant he was getting his arse kicked by Rock every time we went. Oh, and AJ very well may have more pups than Rock, I honestly dont know but I doubt it. What I do know is I owned Arkie and Rock, they were only 2 years difference in their age and Rock could not compete with Arkie in the stud game. I think Rock has bred about 8 outside females, AJ has bred about 1 outside females. If he bred more than that then Ricky wants to know where his half of all those stud fees are.
I never called John's dog a P.O.S, oh you mean John's half of dog. If you dont think I will tell John the same thing then you are mistaken. yea I just talked to Ricky also, his computer is down or he would be on here, he said to say if AJ was so great why would he just give the *#^%@**&^%er away. Hmmm...seems like he did tell me " man Kelly, I got to get rid of this sucker! He bout to kill me treeing all these coons!" get real! I dont have a clue, just facts! You have never been with Rock or even a pup off of Rock so how can you recommend a dog you have never hunted with or hunted their pups? I will say this, Warren Hauslour thought enough of Rock to breed Bullet's mamma to him, which I am very proud of , AJ was in the same country why didnt he breed her to him?

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Kelly you are right, weird how genetics work. One would think that if a dog made an extra nice hound the littermates should too. Not at all the case though!
Breeding is something very thoughtful and irritating at the same time.
Something works better keep doing it! I would venture to say not many perfect hounds out there.

Bryan you are right as rain. Breeding dogs is something that is much harder than it seems, it is a "learned skill" that many never aquire. That is why the more successful breeders are usually of the elder variety, or at least the very experienced. I am neither but my Dad was.

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and what i gather from alllll this.........

seems like bluetick people shore do like to argue

LOL

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and what i gather from alllll this.........

seems like bluetick people shore do like to argue

LOL

There is nothing to gather, but there is nothing on TV and its too hot to hunt.

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what chop mouthed and aimlessly ? these walker hunters crack me up ! I love drawing out with your kind, think you got it won before we even cut'em loose.

That was funny!

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and what i gather from alllll this.........

seems like bluetick people shore do like to argue

LOL

All in fun Smokey!

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Hang on there Fella, I just didnt get the courage to say that. It just goes to show that you dont know what the hell you are talking about! Rock and AJ were turned loose together about 100 times. Do you want to know how many times AJ beat ROCK? Once! So since we bred the dogs, raised the dogs and hunted them together at least 100 times, I think I am qualified to make a statement like that if I want to. Oh, and when I made that statement I was on the phone with Ricky Tankersley, the man who owned AJ, not his handler but his owner. The reason people have not bred to Rock no more than they have was because Arkie was alive for most of Rock's life and my Dad handled all the breeding stuff. I would never send Rock to my dad's to be put up for stud because I did that with Arkie when he was 3 and never got to hunt him again. I will not promote another dog untill my kids are out of athletics.

sounds like the Arkie/Rank arguement. we all remember the outcome of that one. one day we will look back and remember Rock and Arkie for being pretty dogs that could tree a coon every now and then. but when it comes to reproduction it is doubtful you will find either in any top or for that matter any average dog.

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Bryan, I guess I am getting a little touchy on talking about Rock. The best dog I have ever owned and likely ever will own is getting OLD. I didnt have to go through this with Arkie because he got old at dad's place. To top it off Rock lives in the house so he is like family. He is 11 now and about 18 months ago I realized it was time to put him up, other than the occasional pleasure hunt, and definately compitition hunting was over for him. 11 years old for a dog is about equal to an 80 year old man, so his hunting days are numbered, although if you came over right now and looked at him you would guess he was about 8 years old but where his age shows is in the heat. I can remember when Rock was about 12 months old I was hunting him and Arkie together and it was one of the last times I hunted Arkie and I had only hunted them together about 3 times, they were treed in there deep and it was across a big rough cut-over and I drove around to them. I bet it was 90 degrees outside and humid as hell, they had been treed about 30 or 40 minutes time I got around there and loaded them up in the Blazer. I remember being worried about Arkie because he was panting so hard it was making the whole Blazer shake, and Rock is sitting there with his mouth closed and not even panting! And Arkie was only 3 then and was in hunting shape! Its like watching a great athelete and realize that father time has caught up with them and its over. Depressing.

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sounds like the Arkie/Rank arguement. we all remember the outcome of that one. one day we will look back and remember Rock and Arkie for being pretty dogs that could tree a coon every now and then. but when it comes to reproduction it is doubtful you will find either in any top or for that matter any average dog.

That was also funny! You know what? I NEVER said Arkie was a better dog than Rank. That was other people talking, I did see where someone might like are better and some people might like Rank better. As far as Rock and AJ goes anyone that knows anything about coonhunting and hunted with both dogs would know Rock was by FAR the better dog. As far as Arkie not being a reproducer it just shows you must be a child therefore I will not judge you to harshly. If Arkie was anything he was a great reproducer.

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That was also funny! You know what? I NEVER said Arkie was a better dog than Rank. That was other people talking, I did see where someone might like are better and some people might like Rank better. As far as Rock and AJ goes anyone that knows anything about coonhunting and hunted with both dogs would know Rock was by FAR the better dog. As far as Arkie not being a reproducer it just shows you must be a child therefore I will not judge you to harshly. If Arkie was anything he was a great reproducer.

yea he was such a great reproducer that people flocked to him. hmm. if he was much of a reproducer people might could have over-looked you bragging but i imagine short man syndrome is enough to turn alot of people off.

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I know I am very pleased with what Arkie produced and alot of others must be too seeing how it is pretty easy to get rid of grand pups to him .

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I had a female off Arkie. She made a real nice hound. At 11 months old she ran and treed her first coon over other broke dogs in late fall with frost still falling. Takes a good nose to track coon especailly when frost is still falling. Did this ahead of a 2 yr old walker male that was a very tough dog to beat. Pretty impressive to me. What was even worse the walker didn't even know she had a coon, he was right there with her.

And yes she had the meat!

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Kelly Littlejohn

Kelly, nevermind ??

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I DONT EVER SAY MUCH ON HERE OR POST MUCH BUT I AM GOING TO ON THIS ONE.ITS POSTS LIKE THIS ONE AND ALL THE OTHER BLUETICKS POST THAT PROVE ONE THING AND THATS WHY WE HAVENT HAD A WORLD CHAMPION BLUE DOG EVERYBODY IS EITHER RUNNING DOWN ANOTHER MANS DOG OR BLOWING SMOKE ABOUT HIS OWN ITS EITHER JEALOSY OR STUPITTY WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO GO FORWARD IN THE BLUETICK BREED AND EVERYBODY NEEDS TO SEE THAT.

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