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A meat dog is a hunting dog...
This dog has to meet a standard and if it doesn’t...then it’s not a hunting dog...

Many people don’t agree with a minimum standard...but there really should be so at least the production of culls will be lower...folks can breed up from there...

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Problem is your standards differ from mine or Tar's. Imo there should be organized requirements / standards met before a dog can be entered in a hunt. There's more than a few dogs that I've hunted against that I've never seen under a coon unless it backed. Never witnessed these dogs strike or tree their own coon. I don't have perfect dogs, but 1 thing I can count on is them treeing coons. I'm a pleasure hunter 1st, competition hunter 2nd.

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Problem is your standards differ from mine or Tar's. Imo there should be organized requirements / standards met before a dog can be entered in a hunt. There's more than a few dogs that I've hunted against that I've never seen under a coon unless it backed. Never witnessed these dogs strike or tree their own coon. I don't have perfect dogs, but 1 thing I can count on is them treeing coons. I'm a pleasure hunter 1st, competition hunter 2nd.

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Problem is your standards differ from mine or Tar's. Imo there should be organized requirements / standards met before a dog can be entered in a hunt. There's more than a few dogs that I've hunted against that I've never seen under a coon unless it backed. Never witnessed these dogs strike or tree their own coon. I don't have perfect dogs, but 1 thing I can count on is them treeing coons. I'm a pleasure hunter 1st, competition hunter 2nd.

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When you take what you consider a good chunk of change and look at 9 in a row that can’t seem to tree a coon it gives you a pretty clear picture I will just keep what I got.



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Yet some say HTX hunts are a waste of time.

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Regarding HTX HUNTS, most guys that have a decent coon dog already hunt those dogs by themselves a lot and have seen them tree a bunch of coons by themselves. They consider it a waste of time to hunt the HTX HUNTS, on the other hand the folks with me too dogs know what their dogs are and won't hunt them by themselves. These are the biggest reasons why the HTX HUNTS are not well received. Maybe if you had to have a certain number if HTX PASSES before you could hunt in a competition hunt it would mean something, at least the dogs could tree a coon by themselves. Dave

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Regarding HTX HUNTS, most guys that have a decent coon dog already hunt those dogs by themselves a lot and have seen them tree a bunch of coons by themselves. They consider it a waste of time to hunt the HTX HUNTS, on the other hand the folks with me too dogs know what their dogs are and won't hunt them by themselves. These are the biggest reasons why the HTX HUNTS are not well received. Maybe if you had to have a certain number if HTX PASSES before you could hunt in a competition hunt it would mean something, at least the dogs could tree a coon by themselves. Dave

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That's because they are......and money, too.

If your dog trees coon, they don't need an HTX to prove that to you. Anybody else could just go hunting with the dog and see them tree a coon with their own eyes.

The easiest, quickest title to get is HTX. You say mine can tree coon, and I'll say yours does too.

If its important to you, then go for it and have fun.

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I'm hearing two different stories on the same topic. Too many night champions can't tree a coon alone and an HTX certificate is the easiest to get. Can both of those be correct?

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Yes, sir, that would be correct. In both cases, titles do not prove anything except someone paid the entry fee and dogs were 'judged' to be worthy of the title. I wasn't trying to be a smart a$$....earning any title is really a waste of time and money. There are hundreds and hundreds of titled dogs across the country and very few are making money off pups or stud fees because of the titles they have. The market for coon dogs continues to shrink and there are pages of pups/dogs for sale. If you have a dog that trees coon and you enjoy it, there is really no need to spend money to prove anything. If titles are important, then you have to spend the money and time to earn the title.....and it really only matters to you or people you are trying to impress. Would it matter to you if I was the world champion watermelon seed spitting champion? Only if I was the one that beat you at it!

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I know this thread has gone slightly off topic but I do think there should be some requirements for a dog to pass before it can enter a hunt.

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The guys that are saying it think their dog and themselves are above it. They think its moving backwards because the dog is hunting alone with no "competition". But for me that title means more than being a Grntch, and it should to more people as well. And sometimes the ones that say a waste of time don't have dogs capable of passing it. Some nights my gyp would pass and not other nights. She's not a coondawg, she's a dog that trees coons.

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I said it and I meant what I said. I didn't say anything about moving backward or hunting against competition or alone. I said if the dog can tree a coon then I can go hunt with it and see that for myself. I don't care if it has 10 HTX behind of or in front of their name that only proves someone paid an entry fee and according to a 'judge' that dog 'passed' by treeing a coon. I also said, if it is important to YOU then pay your money and go get you a title. Probably doesn't matter to you if MY dog trees a coon or not either, but it does matter to me. Titles do not matter to me and I told you why.

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A lot of old doggies that were warriors in the hunts back in the day still hunt a meat dog. The type you hunt it 1 night a week or one night a month they tree a truck load of coon in style. The title for them is a thermos of good coffee cool fall night leafs crackling under foot on the way to the tree the coon is found and rolled out as a reward then a pat on the head and say you sounded just like your grandpa Did on that one. Maybe anouther drop or two till there is just enough coffee for the trip home share a sandwich and call it a night.


That’s the only title some need.


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It's funny so many people think earning a HTX pass is just treeing a coon. I have had more than 1 dog tree 3 coon in the hour and not get a pass.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by pamjohnson
It's funny so many people think earning a HTX pass is just treeing a coon. I have had more than 1 dog tree 3 coon in the hour and not get a pass. [/

QUOTE] Why do you say this? I can't speak for everyone else, but I know exactly what it takes to get a HTX PASS. I would not own a dog that could not get a HTX PASS on a regular basis, I demand more out of my pleasure hunting dogs than most folks demand from their competition dogs. My dogs MUST suit me night in and night out. I don't tolerate trash running or trash treeing , slick treeing, barking at the moon, running ghost tracks, or any other foolish behavior. I am not knocking the HTX HUNTS, exactly the opposite I think every Champion dog should HAVE to prove they can pass the HTX HUNTS. Dave

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What’s an HTX hunt ?


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Lol. HTX HUNTS are something that a real coon hunter does every night they coon hunt. Dave

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Regarding HTX HUNTS, most guys that have a decent coon dog already hunt those dogs by themselves a lot and have seen them tree a bunch of coons by themselves. They consider it a waste of time to hunt the HTX HUNTS, on the other hand the folks with me too dogs know what their dogs are and won't hunt them by themselves. These are the biggest reasons why the HTX HUNTS are not well received. Maybe if you had to have a certain number if HTX PASSES before you could hunt in a competition hunt it would mean something, at least the dogs could tree a coon by themselves. Dave

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by pamjohnson
It's funny so many people think earning a HTX pass is just treeing a coon. I have had more than 1 dog tree 3 coon in the hour and not get a pass. [/

QUOTE] Why do you say this? I can't speak for everyone else, but I know exactly what it takes to get a HTX PASS. I would not own a dog that could not get a HTX PASS on a regular basis, I demand more out of my pleasure hunting dogs than most folks demand from their competition dogs. My dogs MUST suit me night in and night out. I don't tolerate trash running or trash treeing , slick treeing, barking at the moon, running ghost tracks, or any other foolish behavior. I am not knocking the HTX HUNTS, exactly the opposite I think every Champion dog should HAVE to prove they can pass the HTX HUNTS. Dave

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Where do you see anyone saying that their dog never makes a mistake? You are just assuming things without any one saying these things. You can't tell me anything that I don't already know about what an HTX HUNT is and is not. I expect mine to perform night in and night out regardless of a score card, I still keep score in my head. You are preaching to the Choir with me regarding HTX HUNTS. I fully support them, but only as a way to prove your dog can do it by themselves. Any title is only as good as the Way it is obtained, an honest title is something to be proud of. Dave

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Just to be clear it does not take a World Champion dog to pass the HTX hunt requirements, any decent dog should pass without any problems. A decent dog should go hunting, run and tree a coon without running tracks they don't tree, treeing off game or having a handling problem, treeing slick or any of the listed faults that UKC has listed as a failing fault. UKC even gives you 1 fault and you can still pass the HTX TEST. You tell me why your dog treed 3 coons and still failed the test and if you still consider that dog to be a coon dog. Dave

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The dog can make 2 faults and still pass. 3 strikes and they don't get a pass. I can't recall the reasons this happened with my dogs but the whole point is it happens. Yes even the world champions wouldn't pass some times. Yet I have seen dogs that can't make nt ch get a pass. Guess what that is ok. I think the most important thing is that it was done honest pass or fail.

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