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I may wrong but i doesn't cost UKC any, just the fund. They keep 10% to manage the fund

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Originally posted by sleepy head
I may wrong but i doesn't cost UKC any just, the fund. They keep 10% to manage the fund

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I don’t care what it cost if you owe me $25 then pay me LOL.

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Every post has some value in it but before stud owners complain too much remember you get free advertising every day on the stud dog page that more than pays for the yearly fees imo that advertising would cost you several thousand dollars per year

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If you are the breeder of a performance eligible litter then just pay the litter up when you send in the paperwork for the litter registration. That would help increase the money going into the program. I would love to know the percentage of pups eligible for the performance program that are actually paid up.

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Originally posted by Craig Cooper
If you are the breeder of a performance eligible litter then just pay the litter up when you send in the paperwork for the litter registration. That would help increase the money going into the program. I would love to know the percentage of pups eligible for the performance program that are actually paid up.

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Tone it down guys, or they will delete another good topic...

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Alriiiiiighty, breeder pays up the litter.....breeder get 25% ....instead of 10% !

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Just add it to the pup price.

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Originally posted by nitehunter2004
Just add it to the pup price.

Mr Tim.

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Originally posted by Dogwhisper
25% each yr. for the life ...or a one time pup upcharge....hmmmmm !
I'll take 25%

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It don't cost anyone to not pay out 50$ or less? It's costing the guy not getting it, 50$. I'm sorry but if someone owes me money, give it to me

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How many dogs are in the performance sire program in 2018

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How many dogs are in the performance sire program in 2018

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$150 year to Performance a sire would add a chunk to the pot. A couple hundred could drop outta the program and the fund would still be money ahead. Has there been an increase to Sires since the beginning??

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Has there been an increase to Sires since the beginning?? [/B][/QUOTE]

don't know how many were in the program to start, but according to the UKC web site there were 896 sires entered in 2017, and now--2018 there are 705--but there is still time to get a sire signed up for 2018. so right now there are 191 less than last year

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Personally I think this should be mandatory for a performance pup. I think the litter should have to be paid in full or they aren’t performance pups.

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Has there been an increase to Sires since the beginning??

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It is easy to make generalizations but how do you know just how many Sire owners would opt out if you increase the fee $50 or $100 or $150? It is almost impossible to know.

And if you start letting Gr Nt's hunt with Nt Ch's that might increase the #of Gr Nt's but it might also decrease the # of Nt Ch's entered. You don't really know. UKC already has the mini slam format where Nt Ch's hunt with Gr Nt's. And the winner also gets an immediate $$ payback that night in addition to points towards a title. Actually the mini slam format includes a lot of the suggestions being made here. But club's are not taking advantage of this format and scheduling mini slam hunts. I wonder why that is?

Here is a suggestion... start keeping track of Mini Slam earnings and post the leaders on the interweb. And maybe make them open to Performance eligible dogs only. UKC could then have a year end hunt for Mini Slam leaders.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
It is easy to make generalizations but how do you know just how many Sire owners would opt out if you increase the fee $50 or $100 or $150? It is almost impossible to know.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
It is easy to make generalizations but how do you know just how many Sire owners would opt out if you increase the fee $50 or $100 or $150? It is almost impossible to know.

Actually the mini slam format includes a lot of the suggestions being made here. But club's are not taking advantage of this format and scheduling mini slam hunts. I wonder why that is?

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Richard you make a good point that changes would affect some and how would we know. Well the situation is that if UKC had good numbers on the program they could put a team together and evaluate those numbers and come up with a good idea what those numbers would be.

The other side of the coin is we come on here with enough information, just to be dangerous and bicker with one another for weeks filling up pages on the message boards. When the facts is needed for answers.

UKC should be able to push a couple buttons and know exactly how many performance sires there are in the program that never breed a female. A graph on when matings took place and how many of the Sires were enrolled before they bred females and how many were enrolled with a penalty just to breed one litter. All that information could point out what change (like fee for single breeding) or other changes would affect the program. Same with when pups are registered. Evaluate the before 6 months and the 6-12 months and the numbers that are not ever put in the program. A study of why and when they are registered would give an opinion on changes needed to capture more pups into the program. Without facts we really don't have any justification for all our ideas.

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...... Without facts we really don't have any justification for all our ideas....

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But Mr Conkey, that sure doesn't stop us from giving our ideas freely. Knowing Mr Gingerich, I am sure that he is crunching all of those numbers and stuying just what the impact of any changes might be. But all of that takes a lot of thought and time and "what if" scenarios. And I wonder if he really has a truly knowledgeable team? Isn't he the only one?

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Todd or Allen posted the numbers of pups from Performance sires that were paid up and the % was very small.

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UKC should be able to push a couple buttons and know exactly how many performance sires there are in the program that never breed a female. A graph on when matings took place and how many of the Sires were enrolled before they bred females and how many were enrolled with a penalty just to breed one litter. All that information could point out what change (like fee for single breeding).....so your advocateing that UKC P.P.
penelize the breeder for a single breeding during that enrolled yr.....why ?
I don't understand that logic .

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$150 year to Performance a sire would add a chunk to the pot. A couple hundred could drop outta the program and the fund would still be money ahead. Has there been an increase to Sires since the beginning??

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