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It's hard to compare coonhunting to other sports but a good comparison is bass fishing.
A coonhunting world championship in Ohio, Indiana or Illinois is like the bassmasters classic in a huge heavily stocked pond where everybody gets a limit without a ton of skill but some are luckier than others on size.

Hunting in the south would be like the classic on a major waterway that's heavily fished where a lot of skill & work is needed just to catch fish and few will get a limit..

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Here it is straight from the horses mouth on what it took to advance and win in this years world hunt. I was fortunate enough to finish fourth. I live about two hours from Elberton so my hunting conditions are similar as far as coon population and I can tell you this. Normally our hunting is better, but some times when nature takes a notion the hunting gets tough as what happened this weekend. The dogs that kept advancing are the ones that had coon treeing on their mind with the most consistency. Their were some great dogs that got knocked out in the first round. I can almost guarantee you it wasn't bc their wasn't a coon for miles, it was the fact that it just wasn't their night for one reason or another.. My good hunting buddy owns the Vapor dog, I'll be the first to admit he is a better dog overall than my female. He is one of the absolute best dogs a man will ever hunt with in a lefetime. His owner will tell you like he told me, he didn't have coon treeing on his mind for one reason or another that night. On my early round Thursday night I drew a great guide who is known for having coons. We cut loose and two dogs lock down on a tree 3 feet in front of us. My dog slipped on past them a few hundred and got struck, worked a track off by herself. Two dogs came to investigate her and loaded up again. My dog kept her nose to the ground and slipped off about 50 more yards and treed the coon. Now she looked absolutely horrible the next two drops for her standards but was fortunate enough to stay out of trouble and keep her points. We treed one coon in a spot where they prob average scoring 3. On the late round, we cut loose and got struck about 5 mins later. She worked a ice cold track for nearly 30 mins, sat down and had a coon. Looked like a million dollars. On Friday night the dogs got carried away horse racing on the first drop and blew nearly out of hearing. We tightened up and the black dog and my dog were treed 1.1 mile away when we stopped. We had a coon there while another dog on the cast made a couple of mistakes that I'm sure he doesn't normally make. My dog got treed deep by herself at the end of the cast with a tree pending with a trip to the final cast riding on it. She sure thought she had it and so did the whole cast. Just wasn't meant for us to move on as we couldn't get him to look if he was there. She looked good enough to move on but it wasn't our night. I'm sure their were better dogs than mine that didn't make it as far, but mine is a really really good dog that just so happened to have coon treeing on her mind more than not through this entire hunt. That's why we ended up 4th. In the final cast Sambo proved to be the last dog standing with coon treeing on his mind more than the rest. That is a world champion. It doesn't always have to be about treeing coon after coon to find the best dogs. Sometimes it's about finding that dog that stays the coarse in tough conditions that's just as impressive in my book! I hope UKC continues to give the south a world hunt every so often so we can remember these types of world champions as well.

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Congratulations on your 4th place finish. Weather has a lot to do with coon movement this time of year. Tnere are worse places to hunt than in elberton. It will be held up north again next year so maybe we won't have so much complaining. Congratulate the winners and move on. If you won't go to the world hunt because of location. It's probally because you know you ain't got much to begin with.

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Riley, Congrats and classy statement!

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Congratulations on your 4th place finish. Weather has a lot to do with coon movement this time of year. Tnere are worse places to hunt than in elberton. It will be held up north again next year so maybe we won't have so much complaining. Congratulate the winners and move on. If you won't go to the world hunt because of location. It's probally because you know you ain't got much to begin with.

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You guys just don't get it. Turning 4 dogs and being lucky to score on ONE single coon isn't coon hunting, can't you guys understand that? You think a COON DOG should stretch out as far as it should have to in order to tree a coon. Well when many dogs went miles and miles and couldn't get a coon treed it's just not acceptable. These are facts I'm posting not my opinions. My dog had no business being there I wouldn't have won In a coon zoo or in Elberton. The other 3 in my cast however hunted deep and hard and when you stand there for 30 minutes and don't draw a ground bark that's just pitiful and it's not coon hunting.

In order for it to be coon hunting there has to actually be coon to compete on which several casts never seen. It's just not acceptable for a word final.

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I DONT GET IT!! In 2hrs of hunting did any dog open or not?? It's irrelevant if the coon wasn't seen, if they ever opened their mouths then there was coon to be treed or they were trashing. HOW MANY DEAD CAST HAD 0 DOGS ON PAPER???

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You guys just don't get it. Turning 4 dogs and being lucky to score on ONE single coon isn't coon hunting, can't you guys understand that? You think a COON DOG should stretch out as far as it should have to in order to tree a coon. Well when many dogs went miles and miles and couldn't get a coon treed it's just not acceptable. These are facts I'm posting not my opinions. My dog had no business being there I wouldn't have won In a coon zoo or in Elberton. The other 3 in my cast however hunted deep and hard and when you stand there for 30 minutes and don't draw a ground bark that's just pitiful and it's not coon hunting.

In order for it to be coon hunting there has to actually be coon to compete on which several casts never seen. It's just not acceptable for a word final. I went to a other kennel club double header Saturday night. I won both rounds by my dogs hunting hard and treeing one coon each cast. You guys think that there is coon every where up North. You guys really are clueless. I have awesome huntingand sin e nights a dog has to work very hard to get a coon treed but know what most nights the better dog will always won here. When dogs hunt their guys out and stumbules upon a coon that's luck not skill.

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looking at the scores for the zone finals miss. or texas have my vote for the world next year . with one or 2 coons per cast scored my ole potlickers might have a chance .lol heck a poor boy like me could sleep in the truck or pitch a tent under a shade tree a few days . i went to u.s. redbone days several years ago slept under a ole tarp on a sleeping bag and ate bologna and had a blast .u.s. redbone days was in bentinville ark . that year. tall mountains and thin coon . still enjoyed being alive and meting folks from all over . saw one coon in three nights hunting ,lol guess some folks are just spoiled rotten brats now days .dont know anything about just living and having a good time .should be counting there blessings on just being able to make the trip not whining and crying .

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I'm not supposed to judge a book by the cover, but with a post like this I'd say you are an honest man and a dang good guy to hunt with. One of the few of us that talk with any dog sense! You nailed it

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If Sambo had scored on 5 coon up north the whiners would still whine about something!!

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I DONT GET IT!! In 2hrs of hunting did any dog open or not?? It's irrelevant if the coon wasn't seen, if they ever opened their mouths then there was coon to be treed or they were trashing. HOW MANY DEAD CAST HAD 0 DOGS ON PAPER???

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cry Tough Blues
If Sambo had scored on 5 coon up north the whiners would still whine about something!! [/QUOTE

You yes men are somthing else but they didn't tree but one and almost lost all their points on it. But hey that's one more than the rest of the cast treed lol.

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what you boys seem to not get is, they treed one coon. Turned around and recast, dogs struck and trailed something. Or babbled around. Then finally they moved a little deeper struck again and located and treed. Up a bush and slick. Don't sound like finding coons was the problem. Getting them treed sure proved difficult though! Where were all the deep and lonely's at? I thought they were what it took to win? You all seem to have a very arrogant opinion that competition hunting drives UKC, or coonhunting in general. Far more coonhunters that don't competition hunt than do. Judging by the responses from a bunch of you, I'm beginning to see why.

Tar,
I hope you are just joking about all this conspiracy crap. Killed off coons and such. Them boys in Elberton ain't Killing their coons for nobody. They take their hunting serious all throughout the year. Not just when the Yankees come to town. I really thought you were above all this name calling.

Why do so many people whine when things don't go there way. Funny thing is, Sambo has won everywhere he goes. He must be a dang nice dog. Sounds like luck don't have near as much to do with it as we think.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cry Tough Blues
If Sambo had scored on 5 coon up north the whiners would still whine about something!! [/QUOTE

You yes men are somthing else but they didn't tree but one and almost lost all their points on it. But hey that's one more than the rest of the cast treed lol.

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Haven't you learned by now to take what I say with a grain of salt lol ! I am a ukc yes man myself what I say is to make people think you can not change the past but you can change the future. When asked I judged both nights at the zones 3 hrs from home Friday night was horrible guide told us they had been popping coons tried to walk me down on this bad leg tried to control the cast wanted me to quit I knew it but when your the judge in a three dog cast you can't quit or I would have in that dry hole after an hour I got enough and read him his rights no more problems he did the same thing to the cast on Saturday night I had the best cast in the world on Saturday night if I would have lost it still would have been good had a blast I am a good looser do I think there could have been more effort to put dogs in better woods at the world hunt I say yes because Saturday night I was just 15 miles from that dry hole I was in Friday night you see sometimes hunting in bad woods is a strategy.

Ps: I only did this so the dogs owner could experience the ukc world hunt when I have never hunted in it myself he had a blast so it was worth it to me !

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Does anyone know how many cast got shutout? Not talking about dead cast, that happens every weekend across the country. I'm talking about a shutout, where dogs hunted their area out and never opened.

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Here it is straight from the horses mouth on what it took to advance and win in this years world hunt. I was fortunate enough to finish fourth. I live about two hours from Elberton so my hunting conditions are similar as far as coon population and I can tell you this. Normally our hunting is better, but some times when nature takes a notion the hunting gets tough as what happened this weekend. The dogs that kept advancing are the ones that had coon treeing on their mind with the most consistency. Their were some great dogs that got knocked out in the first round. I can almost guarantee you it wasn't bc their wasn't a coon for miles, it was the fact that it just wasn't their night for one reason or another.. My good hunting buddy owns the Vapor dog, I'll be the first to admit he is a better dog overall than my female. He is one of the absolute best dogs a man will ever hunt with in a lefetime. His owner will tell you like he told me, he didn't have coon treeing on his mind for one reason or another that night. On my early round Thursday night I drew a great guide who is known for having coons. We cut loose and two dogs lock down on a tree 3 feet in front of us. My dog slipped on past them a few hundred and got struck, worked a track off by herself. Two dogs came to investigate her and loaded up again. My dog kept her nose to the ground and slipped off about 50 more yards and treed the coon. Now she looked absolutely horrible the next two drops for her standards but was fortunate enough to stay out of trouble and keep her points. We treed one coon in a spot where they prob average scoring 3. On the late round, we cut loose and got struck about 5 mins later. She worked a ice cold track for nearly 30 mins, sat down and had a coon. Looked like a million dollars. On Friday night the dogs got carried away horse racing on the first drop and blew nearly out of hearing. We tightened up and the black dog and my dog were treed 1.1 mile away when we stopped. We had a coon there while another dog on the cast made a couple of mistakes that I'm sure he doesn't normally make. My dog got treed deep by herself at the end of the cast with a tree pending with a trip to the final cast riding on it. She sure thought she had it and so did the whole cast. Just wasn't meant for us to move on as we couldn't get him to look if he was there. She looked good enough to move on but it wasn't our night. I'm sure their were better dogs than mine that didn't make it as far, but mine is a really really good dog that just so happened to have coon treeing on her mind more than not through this entire hunt. That's why we ended up 4th. In the final cast Sambo proved to be the last dog standing with coon treeing on his mind more than the rest. That is a world champion. It doesn't always have to be about treeing coon after coon to find the best dogs. Sometimes it's about finding that dog that stays the coarse in tough conditions that's just as impressive in my book! I hope UKC continues to give the south a world hunt every so often so we can remember these types of world champions as well.

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I just don't understand all the crap about being dry holed. How in the world would somebody try to purposely dry hole a cast. When in this kc you have to have plus to move on. How does that benefit anyone it doesn't. You will never satisfy everybody on the hunt location. It seems though you will have a lot of the same people complaining again next year. Whether it be the distance to the hunt or whatever.. Congratulations to all of the top 100. You have crap like this and you wonder why attendance is down. All this complaining on here week after week does nothing to encourage someone to try a competition hunt. They think about trying it and they look on here and see all of the negativity. Everyone is getting cheated night after night they got dry holed or whatever. I'm not downing ukc but this is the reason I myself hunt very little in ukc. I have seen more sore losers than in other kennel clubs with a new truck on the line, or $25,000. Man up you got beat whether you just got out dogged or somebody knew the rules and your interpretation was different than the way it should be applied that beat you.

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What about those poor bench show dogs? Wasn't it awfully hot on them? I haven't seen any of the bench show handlers on here complaining about the heat in Georgia. And they had to get out in the heat of the day.
None of them are complaining about the judgeing. Either UKC must have done a better job of picking bench show judges or bench show people are much better sportsmen.

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This has been a good thread. Lots of opinions and ideas. I think that's a good thing and the purpose of this board.

I am one person and each member on this board that actually hunts in the nite hunts should air their beliefs and opinions. That's how we improve things. I enjoy every kennel club that allows me to compete with my dog.

I will say this one more time. Despite the location, no matter where it is, I don't believe it right that so many casts and finalist have to go home for whatever the reason. My opinion is that at this final stage beating the 3 you draw should be all that your hound should have to do. This way if you draw a bad guide or a thunderstorm cones through, or coon aren't moving like on Thursday, you don't have so many going home over things that were out of their control.

So many are so quick to critique those that did get there and tell them what it takes to win there, but yet few made it.

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I DONT GET IT!! In 2hrs of hunting did any dog open or not?? It's irrelevant if the coon wasn't seen, if they ever opened their mouths then there was coon to be treed or they were trashing. HOW MANY DEAD CAST HAD 0 DOGS ON PAPER???

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This has been a good thread. Lots of opinions and ideas. I think that's a good thing and the purpose of this board.

I am one person and each member on this board that actually hunts in the nite hunts should air their beliefs and opinions. That's how we improve things. I enjoy every kennel club that allows me to compete with my dog.

I will say this one more time. Despite the location, no matter where it is, I don't believe it right that so many casts and finalist have to go home for whatever the reason. My opinion is that at this final stage beating the 3 you draw should be all that your hound should have to do. This way if you draw a bad guide or a thunderstorm cones through, or coon aren't moving like on Thursday, you don't have so many going home over things that were out of their control.

So many are so quick to critique those that did get there and tell them what it takes to win there, but yet few made it.

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This is a easy fix if you don't like where it is going to be held don't go . You get plenty of time to know where it is going to be held at. if you don't like location don't qualify your dog save a lot of time and money that way

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